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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Hhhmmm... Let me try to put this another way... I don\'t care what other coahces have accomplished. This Saints team should have made it to the playoffs by now. Do you disagree? They are undisciplined, they underachieve, the coordinators are ...

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Old 10-13-2004, 06:40 PM   #11
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Hhhmmm...

Let me try to put this another way... I don\'t care what other coahces have accomplished. This Saints team should have made it to the playoffs by now. Do you disagree?

They are undisciplined, they underachieve, the coordinators are not very good. Do you disagree?

Now, whose fault is that if it isn\'t Jim Haslett\'s? You say you like Haslett, you want him to stay? What have you seen that makes you think this team will ever perform up to its potential, let alone overachieve? Are you relying solely on a change in luck? B/c this year, we\'re one of the few teams in the league without major injuries to major players, so that can\'t be the excuse for our 2-3 record against 3 of the 5 worst teams in football.

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Old 10-14-2004, 09:11 AM   #12
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As I have told you BEFORE, time and time again, I don\'t think Haz is god\'s gift to coaching any more than I think Brooks is god\'s gift to the QB position, but you put that spin on it and you do it for a reason...the very same reason you\'re whining about me lately. Again, you might fool some who haven\'t been around a while, but not me baby, and not those in the \"know\", cause you are a PRIME example of the vey thing you whine about.

Now, you say unmotivated play -- penalties -- etc, etc, are the result of poor coaching. Is Parcells a poor coach or not? Minus about 2 \"lucky\" plays last year and his record in Dallas in 1 1/4 years would be...{drum roll}...10-10. He passed on Jake Delhomme, TWICE. I guess he\'s not much of a talent evaluator either. Paarcells is a good tool to use in your Haz bashing debate for any number of reasons. I\'d bet money Cleveland wishes they had Bilichick back too. You disagree?

The Saints HAVE made it too the playoffs, but not as much as you or I or ANY Saints fan would have hoped. There have been reasons for that, of course, and you hold Jim accountable for ALL those reasons. I maintain he\'s not the player\'s daddy. There are reasons Turley is gone, Roaf is gone, Golver is gone, etc, and it\'s not all Haz. You typically like to point to ONE thing and it\'s not that simple whether you know it or not. Would Parcells be responsible for Roaf\'s trouble at home with his wife? Would he have tolerated Turley? You have stoked that fire OFTEN Whodat...would you hold Parcells to the same criticism?

The players ARE undisciplined and they DO underachieve...yes I agree. Parcells\' players also appear to be undisciplined and to say they underachieve, I believe, is accurate. I think Venturi should go. I\'m not fond of Mike, but he\'s often dealing with poor down and distance situations and that matters. Should Haz can \'em? Yeah, I think so, but there may very well be reasons that you and I aren\'t aware of that force him not too. I don\'t really know? Do you? You\'d rather assume he doesn\'t know what he\'s doing.

Think about it Whodat. When Parcells when to the SB it was with a team of Veterans wasn\'t it? Even with all the mistakes the Saints are generally a play or two away from a win...every Sunday. This IS the most talented team in the History of New Orleans, so yes, it\'s frustrating, and I understand that Haz could be sent packing. That\'s life as a HC. However, I\'d keep Haz and replace Rick and possibly Mike if given the choice.


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Old 10-14-2004, 09:12 AM   #13
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It is the strangest thing , it just keeps slipping out of my hands ......
If it were bigger you wouldn\'t have that problem. LMAO
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It is the strangest thing , it just keeps slipping out of my hands
Um.........a convict wishing for soap on a rope?
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