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Here's one for ya guys.

Who knows Who Said This:

``Quite apparently, we're not getting through to the team...It hasn't changed no matter how hard I've tried to do it, tried to emphasize it. We have periodically gotten better, but then we fall right back into the same thing.''

Hint, this person is an NFL Head Coach, and this comment was made after last Sunday's games.

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Bill Parcells

What was his team\'s record last year? Would you say that have A) more talented players, b) the same talent level, c) less talented players?

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This has exaclty NOTHING to do with the talent level of the team...but there you go twisting the statement to fit your argument. Now, as per your usual you\'ll jump on me for not answering your questions, but they have nothing to do with the statement.

This has everything to do with Parcells frustration with his inability to get through to the team.

I recall he was two games better than the Saints...with a MUCH better defense....a defense he essentially inherited. I can name two plays right off that were responsible for two wins. TWO PLAYS. Both of those plays were on special teams where the Saints typically excel (like that word eh?). LOL

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Anybody know how many penalties Bill Parcells\' team had last Sunday?

Eleven...11 of \'em. Coaching! Coaching! Coaching!

LMAO

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Ah, but it goes to the root of the argument does it not? Your implication in creating this thread is obvious - we praise Parcells and attack Haslett. Many of us attack Haslett for this team\'s undisciplined play. You like Haslett and have tried to expunge him of any fault by blaming the players. Your general argument is that Haslett can\'t suit up and play - these guys are professionals and they should be expected not to do things like jump offsides. Haslett shouldn\'t have to coach that - does that accurately summarize your argument?

You purpose now is to try to \"get\" us by showing that Parcells made one comment after one game that sounds a lot like the comments Haslett makes after EVERY game. You\'re trying to show that Parcell\'s team was, on one Sunday, undisciplined, and thus debunk every claim we\'ve ever made about Jim Haslett. Yet, when I try to look at the big picture you say it is irrelevant. Figures - your view has always been myopic.

Try this on for size:

Jim Haslett is in his fifth year in N.O. He\'s rebuilt this team with \"his\" player twice over. He\'s had free reign to bring in whatever players he wanted, whatever coaches he wanted. He got a new facility while at the helm, advisors and coaches come to his aid every year, he has just about total control of this team.

Now, this team still suffers from the same problems that HE created. The defense is terrible right? HE decided to go big. Then HE decided to go fast. If I remember correctly, they were real good when he got here. Set the single season NFL sack record, no? The team remains undisciplined. You think that has nothing to do with the coach? That\'s just naieve or you have an AGENDA.

Poor Haslett is just unlucky right. He brought in these great players who all just happen to be inherently undisciplined. It has nothing to do with the environment, right? That\'s just silly, but even if it\'s true you still lose. Haslett\'s only fault may be that he\'s unlucky, but even so, I\'ve had just about enough of him making the SAINTS unlucky too.

Now, you want to take one game in which Dallas played poorly and try to use Parcells to defend Haslett. You can try, but you fail. Think Parcells will correct any problems they may have in the next, say, four years? This will be fixed next week. Go ahead and avoid my questions - I would too if I were you.

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It\'s hard to compare Has & Parcells. How can you compare the records at all? I have a feeling that this Saints team would have a different record w/Parcells in charge. Alot of the guys here would either shut up & do their job, or they\'d be gone. The Saints have alot of guys that think they need to remind everyone they\'ve gotten a first down when they make a catch. I guess maybe they think we didn\'t see it. Parcells seems to be able to make his guys shut up & play ball.....see Antoinio Bryant. You can partially blame mental breakdowns on coaching. If a coach doesn\'t preach discipline during the week, it\'ll show on Sundays. It\'s DEFINITELY been showing on Sunday for the Saints!!

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I live in Dallas and listen to Parcells daily. He preaches discipline and the cowboys lead the league in penaltys. A coach can stress it all he wants, but if the players dont stress it on the field then that says something about them. I think its the state of the NFL. A group of babies that cry when they dont get their way. The giants players were filing greivences on Couglin and publicly talking bad about him, but now their winning you dont hear anything about it. Winning cures all problems.

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Not unless NFL.com is lying to me.

[Edited on 13/10/2004 by WhoDat]

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I like how you blame Jim for EVERYTHING. There were changes made by folks not named Jim, but you refuse to post that.

Anyway, here\'s somthing else to chew on that I posted a while back. And I\'m not trying to \"get\" anybody or the \"us\" you keep referring to in an attempt to draw some sort of line in the sand. Bill said what he said din\'t he? LMAO

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It is the strangest thing , it just keeps slipping out of my hands ...... ;)

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Hhhmmm...

Let me try to put this another way... I don\'t care what other coahces have accomplished. This Saints team should have made it to the playoffs by now. Do you disagree?

They are undisciplined, they underachieve, the coordinators are not very good. Do you disagree?

Now, whose fault is that if it isn\'t Jim Haslett\'s? You say you like Haslett, you want him to stay? What have you seen that makes you think this team will ever perform up to its potential, let alone overachieve? Are you relying solely on a change in luck? B/c this year, we\'re one of the few teams in the league without major injuries to major players, so that can\'t be the excuse for our 2-3 record against 3 of the 5 worst teams in football.

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As I have told you BEFORE, time and time again, I don\'t think Haz is god\'s gift to coaching any more than I think Brooks is god\'s gift to the QB position, but you put that spin on it and you do it for a reason...the very same reason you\'re whining about me lately. Again, you might fool some who haven\'t been around a while, but not me baby, and not those in the \"know\", cause you are a PRIME example of the vey thing you whine about.

Now, you say unmotivated play -- penalties -- etc, etc, are the result of poor coaching. Is Parcells a poor coach or not? Minus about 2 \"lucky\" plays last year and his record in Dallas in 1 1/4 years would be...{drum roll}...10-10. He passed on Jake Delhomme, TWICE. I guess he\'s not much of a talent evaluator either. Paarcells is a good tool to use in your Haz bashing debate for any number of reasons. I\'d bet money Cleveland wishes they had Bilichick back too. You disagree?

The Saints HAVE made it too the playoffs, but not as much as you or I or ANY Saints fan would have hoped. There have been reasons for that, of course, and you hold Jim accountable for ALL those reasons. I maintain he\'s not the player\'s daddy. There are reasons Turley is gone, Roaf is gone, Golver is gone, etc, and it\'s not all Haz. You typically like to point to ONE thing and it\'s not that simple whether you know it or not. Would Parcells be responsible for Roaf\'s trouble at home with his wife? Would he have tolerated Turley? You have stoked that fire OFTEN Whodat...would you hold Parcells to the same criticism?

The players ARE undisciplined and they DO underachieve...yes I agree. Parcells\' players also appear to be undisciplined and to say they underachieve, I believe, is accurate. I think Venturi should go. I\'m not fond of Mike, but he\'s often dealing with poor down and distance situations and that matters. Should Haz can \'em? Yeah, I think so, but there may very well be reasons that you and I aren\'t aware of that force him not too. I don\'t really know? Do you? You\'d rather assume he doesn\'t know what he\'s doing.

Think about it Whodat. When Parcells when to the SB it was with a team of Veterans wasn\'t it? Even with all the mistakes the Saints are generally a play or two away from a win...every Sunday. This IS the most talented team in the History of New Orleans, so yes, it\'s frustrating, and I understand that Haz could be sent packing. That\'s life as a HC. However, I\'d keep Haz and replace Rick and possibly Mike if given the choice.

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If it were bigger you wouldn\'t have that problem. LMAO

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Um.........a convict wishing for soap on a rope?