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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Actually there is. Maybe its not the case with us but Manning and Brady's post season failures can be attributed to their team's careless wins over teams they would play again in playoffs. Taking a few ...

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Old 11-06-2013, 07:36 AM   #11
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
Actually there is. Maybe its not the case with us but Manning and Brady's post season failures can be attributed to their team's careless wins over teams they would play again in playoffs. Taking a few wins over from 14-2 is still playoffs and still good enough for them to have won their divisions. No good deed goes unpunished. This is a payback league. Teams use HFA as a crutch.
"Careless wins"... I can't begin to apply any logic to that.

So teams should intend to lose?
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:48 AM   #12
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

agreed we control what happens. but if we are to back into the playoffs we want

1 chicago to win it and at worst have the same record as us. we win the tie break

2 san fran and we must repeat the tie breaker by beating them

3 most importantly we must beat dallas this week.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:04 AM   #13
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

I don't care who wins the north or west, as long as San Fran and NE tear Carolina apart.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:57 AM   #14
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

Saints What If?

6 out of 8 again guarantees playoffs
5 out of 8 gives us over 99% chance
4 out of 8 gives us about a 7 in 8 chance

That being said 6-2 from here - maybe 7-1 if the ball bounces right for us
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:13 PM   #15
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

Cutler's supposed to be back for Sunday's game vs Detroit ... puts them back on top of the Division, in all probability.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:12 PM   #16
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

Wouldn't this effect home field advantage?
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:35 PM   #17
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

yep thats why the tie breaker is important. all end up with the same record

beat chicago no trip to the windy city
beat san fran no trip to the golden gate

so all we need to do is win.

first up the cow girls
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:42 PM   #18
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

Things changed since Monday...............
Seattle's remaining games
@Falcons
Vikings-W
Saints
@SF-L
@NYG-W
Ari-W
StL-W
I leave out our game and Atlanta as seahawks have a real chance of losing this week. If Seattle wins, they will likely be holding off Atlanta at the end, as its always that way in Atlanta.
12-2

SF
Car-W
@NO
@Was
StL-W
Sea-W
@TB-W
Atl-W
@Ari-W(if it matters)

I'm seeing a road split with us and redskins so I'm giving SF 13-3. 12-4 if Zona game doesnt matter.

Detroit(currently 1st based on tiebreaker)
@Chicago
@Pittsburgh-L
TB-W
GB-W(the injury just sealed it imo)
@Phi-L
Bal-W
NYG-W
@Min-W(game matters more to Detroit)

10-5 leaving the bears game blank as it decides north. Lions won't get bye though.

Chicago
Det
Bal-W
@StL-W
@Min-W
Dal
@Cle
@Phi-W
GB-W

The bears could win out but neither will Dallas or Cleveland be easy games. I think the bears split those and the lions game decides 12-4 or 11-5

This means we cannot lose three more unless lions win the north or we will not get the bye. And its bad enough we already won in Chicago and having to go there again in January will not be the same result. Jeffery had 200 receiving yards in that game.

If lions win north and we beat SF
1.Seattle
2.us
3.Detroit
5.San Francisco
6.Chicago

If lions win north and we beat Seattle and SF both
1.us
2.SF
3.Detroit
5.Seattle
6.Chicago

If lions win north and we beat Seattle
1.SF
2.us
3.Detroit
5.Seattle
6.Chicago

If lions win division and we lose to both SF and Seattle
1.SF(If Sea loses in Atl)
1.Sea(if not)
2.us
3.Detroit
5.Sea/SF
6.Chicago

If bears win north(12-4) and we beat SF
1.Seattle
2.us
3.Chicago
5.SF
6.Detroit

If bears win north and we beat both SF/Seattle
1.us
2.SF
3.Chicago
5.Seattle
6.Detroit

If bears win north and we beat Seattle
1.SF
2.us
3.Chicago
5.Seattle
6.Detroit

If bears win north and we lose to both SF/Seattle
1.SF/Sea(Atl game for Sea)
2.Chicago
3.us
5.Sea/SF
6.Detroit

We need lions to win this week as most likely, in the playoffs, if Detroit and Chicago face off, the road team is winning. Especially if Detroit sweeps Chicago. Then we get Chicago or Detroit in the dome if we're 1 or SF or Seattle does. Either will beat them. We would beat them again or Detroit. But then the 2 seed is facing the 4 or 5 and if Dallas wins the east, I think they upset the wildcard. Meaning we or the west winner hosts them in divisional round. We would all win at home. This sets up the top two seeds to play in NFCCG.

I'd rather us beat SF and Seattle to take the 1 or lose to SF and they get the 1. If bears win Sunday I'm gonna hope we can beat SF or Seattle at least.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:45 PM   #19
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"Careless wins"... I can't begin to apply any logic to that.

So teams should intend to lose?





No, but its appearing each year that sometimes its bad thing to be too good. We just need to hope we don't get trapped by a different gameplan. One I'm concerned about is Chicago. They already have notes on us from week 5. And the 3 days rest between two big games is enough to weigh on us. How do we go and win a hard fought game against SF and then do it again in Atlanta four nights later?
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:44 AM   #20
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Re: We need lions or 49ers to win their divisions

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
No, but its appearing each year that sometimes its bad thing to be too good. We just need to hope we don't get trapped by a different gameplan. One I'm concerned about is Chicago. They already have notes on us from week 5. And the 3 days rest between two big games is enough to weigh on us. How do we go and win a hard fought game against SF and then do it again in Atlanta four nights later?
You obviously have me at a disadvantage because I can not seem to make any sense of your last two postings. Please do not try to clarify, if at some point it happens to make come together for me, I will need to see a therapist.
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