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xan 11-07-2013 12:59 PM

How to avoid sucking as a team and other insights
 
I'm not surprised that the Dolphins suck. Even expected the Bucs to be terrible. This bully scandal has lifted the lid on the internal dynamics of an NFL team's culture. It seems that there is a high correlation between how bad a team is and the amount of needless systemic conforming the players are forced to endure.

I wonder what it is like in the Saints' locker room and if things may change?

hagan714 11-07-2013 05:59 PM

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right now it is time for a gut check and to step up their game. if a player does not see that by now i would be looking to replace him next year that's if i could not find a player on the team to do it now

dueceloose 11-07-2013 06:04 PM

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Is it me or does ESPN always have something depressing to talk about.

Bounty gate
Hernandez Saga
Bullying down south

that's how you get the views I guess.

SmashMouth 11-08-2013 08:38 AM

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I will always remember when the late Jim Finks said that the Saints needed to get smarter as a football team. That means getting higher IQ players, of course. I think the Saints are smarter now, generally speaking.

SaintsBro 11-08-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 545772)
I will always remember when the late Jim Finks said that the Saints needed to get smarter as a football team. That means getting higher IQ players, of course. I think the Saints are smarter now, generally speaking.

Absolutely true. I don't know about this year's scores in particular, but in past years, the Saints have been THE smartest team in the NFL, both in terms of the Wunderlic test that is given to college football draft prospects, and I also heard a stat that was based on the average GPA of the players from college, when you added them all up, team by team, the Saints were at the top or near the top of the league.

saintfan 11-08-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dueceloose (Post 545698)
Is it me or does ESPN always have something depressing to talk about.

Bounty gate
Hernandez Saga
Bullying down south

that's how you get the views I guess.

ESPN stopped being a "sports" network long long ago. Now, they're just like any other "News" network. The money is in the controversy.

iceshack149 11-08-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 545797)
ESPN stopped being a "sports" network long long ago. Now, they're just like any other "News" network. The money is in the controversy.

I've attempted to contact hosts for the ESPN radio shows to ask them to report more on actual sports than spend SO much time on social issues. There's so much sports to talk about and we're forced to listen to the garbage in Miami all week long. I heard about it. I get it. I listen to sports talk radio for one reason: sports.

In Fairbanks, we have only one sports radio station and it's ESPN. I listen to it all the time and both SVP and Cowherd have said that they are at the mercy of their director when it comes to sports topics for their respective show. Cowherd swears that the ratings are higher when they focus on these social issues because it intrigues women. That's selling out but it makes them money.

LeBatard is AWFUL.

Danno 11-08-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 545854)
I've attempted to contact hosts for the ESPN radio shows to ask them to report more on actual sports than spend SO much time on social issues. There's so much sports to talk about and we're forced to listen to the garbage in Miami all week long. I heard about it. I get it. I listen to sports talk radio for one reason: sports.

In Fairbanks, we have only one sports radio station and it's ESPN. I listen to it all the time and both SVP and Cowherd have said that they are at the mercy of their director when it comes to sports topics for their respective show. Cowherd swears that the ratings are higher when they focus on these social issues because it intrigues women. That's selling out but it makes them money.

LeBatard is AWFUL.

Probably the worst "big name" talking head in the business. Well, right behind Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless.

iceshack149 11-08-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 545859)
Probably the worst "big name" talking head in the business. Well, right behind Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless.

I agree but he's trying hard to catch up.

WHODATINCA 11-08-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 545883)
I agree but he's trying hard to catch up.

There is no one worse than Skip Bayless. Word.

Danno 11-08-2013 05:52 PM

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Xan, what were the other insights?

TheOak 11-08-2013 06:22 PM

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I see the issues of both of those teams being more grounded in a lack of leadership at the coaching level than any locker room shenanigans. One could say the looker room shenanigans are because of a lack of clear leadership.

Children will inevitably be children..... However, those with good parents tend to not get stupid about it.

xan 11-08-2013 08:13 PM

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I was implying the other insights would be yours, but if forced...

What does it say about a culture that prizes irrational destruction and degradation of its people, and blames the victim? Life is hard enough without getting blindsided by those whose fortunes are tied to one's own.

The smarts thing can work both ways. It can help absorb and process complex concepts but it interferes with reaction time.

Danno 11-08-2013 08:20 PM

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Mm

Danno 11-08-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 545946)
I was implying the other insights would be yours, but if forced...

What does it say about a culture that prizes irrational destruction and degradation of its people, and blames the victim?

It says they vote democrat?

jeanpierre 11-09-2013 03:18 PM

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This thread title cracks me up...

Anyways, My first inclination about the Saints Locker Room is we're damn lucky we've got success on the field to keep guys from tearing each other up if we were losing...

But Payton cleared it out early in his tenure; and there's been continued subtle management of same...

Johnny Patrick, despite athletic promise, just disappeared in the night, quietly with little wah-wahing...

Chris Ivory, traded, and not too bad a return in John Jenkins, though I question giving up BOTH 4R picks when he probably would have been there anyways...

Carl Nicks, we really could have made the contract work considering what we've wasted/spent on Grubbs, but he got to Tampa and well, he did some wah-wahing...

Seems like if you start Wah-Wahing, you get the fleur-de-lis in the @$$ on the way out the door...

whybag 11-11-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 545894)
There is no one worse than Skip Bayless. Word.

I don't know what you're talking about, Tim Tebow is clearly the best pure quarterback this league has ever seen, he'll win three Superbowls in the next two years.

















I'm sorry, I couldn't keep from laughing.
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Rugby Saint II 11-12-2013 02:29 PM

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I guess we'll have to be sweeter to the military recruits too at boot camp......we sure don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

whybag 11-13-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 547498)
I guess we'll have to be sweeter to the military recruits too at boot camp......we sure don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

What, like the Army? I heard they don't even to tell now.

xan 11-13-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 547498)
I guess we'll have to be sweeter to the military recruits too at boot camp......we sure don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

Hazing and harrassment (aside from sexually harrassing female military members) has been a court marshall/dishonorable discharge offense in the military for quite some time.

TheOak 11-13-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 547726)
Hazing and harrassment (aside from sexually harrassing female military members) has been a court marshall/dishonorable discharge offense in the military for quite some time.

The perfect academic answer.


In reality Col. Nathan R. Jessep spoke the truest words that have ever been uttered.


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