Re: Cam Cleeland Recalls Hazing Incident at Saints Camp
 

"Comradery Building" activities are nothing new to sports, the military, college campuses, High School Bands, the Science Club. I have been hazed by the ARMY, a Fraternity, and pretty much life it self.

Contrary to popular belief, there is a value there as long as it is exercised with some reasonable restraint and no one is put in danger. We all do it, yes you do it also. You've never joked with the new guy at work? Never done anything with your son to toughen him a little? We haze with each other here in these forums regularly LOL...

In tight knit groups such as the military or violent sports its provides a wealth of knowledge about the other members of your group that you could not obtain with out it.

When a veteran group of people haze a rookie group of people it actually forces the rookie group to pull together and bond.

Get past the "I would never"... Yes you have. If you for some reason think it is beyond our team you are extremely naive.

Re: Cam Cleeland Recalls Hazing Incident at Saints Camp
 

I thought his hands were fine it was his knees that were broke. I kept waiting for him to get in the game and be great. I even had a poster of him in my room (maybe I shouldn't have admitted that.) The Saints were unlucky with TE'S for a long, long time. Then a promising one like Boo Williams or Ernie Conwell come along and I would think "Alright! Finally a good TE!" And they were good for a short time. Then they were gone.

Re: Cam Cleeland Recalls Hazing Incident at Saints Camp
 

This happens everywhere. Its the leadership that prevails, which miami is clearly lacking.

Re: Cam Cleeland Recalls Hazing Incident at Saints Camp
 

It happens every where to an extent. Leadership is necessary to determine the extent. And it's obvious that leadership was absent for saints under Ditka and the Dolphins. I wonder what vacarro had to do for Jenkins and the defense.