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The Dude 11-11-2013 12:02 PM

Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
I know its not possible I just wondered why you dont see it. How come we cant just have Moorestead kick field goals and punts and kickoffs? Is their a rule against it or is he simply not good at field goals?
At this point ANYTHING is better than Hartley. I think he has missed more than he made this season.

Halo 11-11-2013 12:10 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Moorestead, from what I understand, has a super strong leg but has accuracy where he can barely hit the side of a barn as a field goal kicker. We probably do better with the head case. Moorestead is an emergency place kicker only.

ClintSaints 11-11-2013 12:12 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
I think Hartley has to go. We can't afford to have him screw up next week. The 49ers are a far better football club than the Cowboys, at least defensively.

Mr.Riaton 11-11-2013 12:21 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
I made a comment a while back that theSaints will probably focus on O line this comming draft/FA....better add a kicker in there as well. Seriously,we need some consistency. This guy is just not worth having around anymore.

TheOak 11-11-2013 12:23 PM

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No way i am burning a draft pick on a frikicker... We will have glaring needs with the 2014 FA class and the cap.

ScottF 11-11-2013 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547065)
No way i am burning a draft pick on a frikicker... We will have glaring needs with the 2014 FA class and the cap.

truth is, kickers are cheap
and what better conditions would a PK want: explosive offense and minimum of 9 dome games

Danno 11-11-2013 12:48 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547065)
No way i am burning a draft pick on a frikicker... We will have glaring needs with the 2014 FA class and the cap.

I could see one pick maybe, if there's a stud can't miss kicker in the draft.

But I agree Oak, I'd rather sign a relatively inexpensive but reliable kicker in free-agency.

TheOak 11-11-2013 12:50 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547084)
I could see one pick maybe, if there's a stud can't miss kicker in the draft.

But I agree Oak, I'd rather sign a relatively inexpensive but reliable kicker in free-agency.

"stud kicker"?:rofl:

Danno 11-11-2013 12:58 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547087)
"stud kicker"?:rofl:

I know, oxymoron...:p

How about a talented kicker? Or an dependable kicker?

It seems that there are no positive adjectives you can match with kicker that don't sound like an oxymoron.

Gimme some help here.

TheOak 11-11-2013 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547089)
I know, oxymoron...:p

How about a talented kicker? Or an dependable kicker?

It seems that there are no positive adjectives you can match with kicker that don't sound like an oxymoron.

Gimme some help here.

Emotionally stable kicker?

Mr.Riaton 11-11-2013 01:40 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547065)
No way i am burning a draft pick on a frikicker... We will have glaring needs with the 2014 FA class and the cap.

I was thinking more on the lines of FA

breesfan27 11-11-2013 02:06 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
What happened to that rookie kicker that they brought in during training camp?

QBREES9 11-11-2013 02:15 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
I love Hartley. But man whats going on in his head.

The Dude 11-11-2013 02:19 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
I don't know anything about Hartley that anyone can love. He got lucky during the SB run and thats it. Has been a complete disappointment besides that. Just because a player was on our SB team doesnt mean he is good and we should keep him.

Barry from MS 11-11-2013 02:41 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Fartley requires surgery, and lobotomy comes to mind. If he could just go out there as a non-thinking, drooling idiot he might kick better. Or keep him in a soundproof tent on the sidelines, let him play X-box, then lead him out on the field blindfolded so he can't see the score or time. Outta answers here.

Seer1 11-11-2013 03:39 PM

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Why wasn't this thread labeled, "Going for it on Fourth Down"?

breesfan27 11-11-2013 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 547122)
I don't know anything about Hartley that anyone can love. He got lucky during the SB run and thats it. Has been a complete disappointment besides that. Just because a player was on our SB team doesnt mean he is good and we should keep him.

My husband has been saying this for years, and he's a Broncos fan. It took me a few years of him saying this over and over, and Hartley missing kick after kick to realize he's right.

Boutte 11-11-2013 04:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547087)
"stud kicker"?:rofl:

Hey, we found a stud punter. Why not a kicker? It could happen.

When Hartley is on he's really good, problem is when he's not on he's absolutely awful.

DemonicSaint 11-11-2013 04:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by breesfan27 (Post 547163)
My husband has been saying this for years, and he's a Broncos fan. It took me a few years of him saying this over and over, and Hartley missing kick after kick to realize he's right.

No matter how right he may be, leave him, just go as far away from him as you can. Broncos fans suck.

jk.

Seer1 11-11-2013 04:58 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 547181)
Hey, we found a stud punter. Why not a kicker? It could happen.

When Hartley is on he's really good, problem is when he's not on it's during the season.

FIFY

skymike 11-11-2013 05:11 PM

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I think we need to change this thread title to "Assuming Hartley is
.... "


...and then we could do a whole string of Assuming threads.
cool idea, huh?

ScottF 11-11-2013 07:23 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 547122)
I don't know anything about Hartley that anyone can love. He got lucky during the SB run and thats it. Has been a complete disappointment besides that. Just because a player was on our SB team doesnt mean he is good and we should keep him.

he's talking to you, Tracy Porter

ScottF 11-11-2013 07:29 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547089)
I know, oxymoron...:p

How about a talented kicker? Or an dependable kicker?

It seems that there are no positive adjectives you can match with kicker that don't sound like an oxymoron.

Gimme some help here.

remember Vanderjagt's comments, 15 years ago, about being 'an athlete who kicks', not a kicker?
I think he lasted a season after that and Peyton personally cut him

Barry from MS 11-11-2013 07:44 PM

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What the crap do we do with a kicker rocking a 72.7% (which is 29th in the NFL, AND with only 1 attempt greater than 50 yards...which he made...outdoors)? Simple, simple, simple.

Any time we are 4th and whatever from the opponents' 13 yard line to the 33 yard line (home or away), we go for the first down an extra 27.3% to compensate for the missed FGs under 50 yards. Problem solved with sound logic.

TheOak 11-12-2013 07:33 AM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 547181)
Hey, we found a stud punter. Why not a kicker? It could happen.

When Hartley is on he's really good, problem is when he's not on he's absolutely awful.

I may be the oddball here but I place more value in a punter than a FG kicker, especially when it comes to Morestead.

Field position in the NFL is king.

Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

Danno 11-12-2013 08:01 AM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547342)
I may be the oddball here but I place more value in a punter than a FG kicker, especially when it comes to Morestead.

Field position in the NFL is king.

Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

Could you start spelling his name right then?:p

Needless to say I disagree completely. Kickers score points and can win or lose a game on one play.

The 2 extra yards Morstead gives us on a whopping 3 or 4 plays per game is virtually meaningless.

I'll take a great Kicker/average Punter over a great Punter/average Kicker any day and everyday.

Rugby Saint II 11-12-2013 02:04 PM

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This head case has got to go.

ScottF 11-12-2013 02:22 PM

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A lot of people complained about drafting Morstead, and trading up in the process, but he has not only been a constant, but an asset.
Drafting a solid kicker is not necessarily a waste, especially considering Chip Vaughan, Al Woods, P. Arnoux, Johnny Patrick, M.Wilson, Greg Romeus and other lower picks that never or rarely contributed

Srgt. Hulka 11-12-2013 09:38 PM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 547342)
Morestead's onside kick in SB 44 was invaluable; and as I apply my logic to value, Moresteads ability to give opponents sh1tty field position on a punt and keeping them from putting up a possible 7 points... his value is that over Hartley or any FG kicker by +4 points. Morestead has has 1 punt blocked and 1 punt ret for TD in his career.

Plus, I don't get a knot in my stomach every time Morstead steps on the field.

TheOak 11-13-2013 04:56 AM

Re: Hypothetical question about our kicking game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 547348)
Could you start spelling his name right then?:p

Needless to say I disagree completely. Kickers score points and can win or lose a game on one play.

The 2 extra yards Morstead gives us on a whopping 3 or 4 plays per game is virtually meaningless.

I'll take a great Kicker/average Punter over a great Punter/average Kicker any day and everyday.

I am protesting and my speling will remain as konsistant as our kicker.

breesfan27 11-13-2013 06:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonicSaint (Post 547188)
No matter how right he may be, leave him, just go as far away from him as you can. Broncos fans suck.

jk.

HA!


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