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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; wow, when did the Lofton is the new Shanle bandwagon start? Lofton has played over 150 more snaps than ANY other of our LB's. Perhaps Ryan knows something the 'grader' doesn't? FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 NFL ...

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Old 11-15-2013, 08:51 PM   #21
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Re: Surprising Grades on Defense

wow, when did the Lofton is the new Shanle bandwagon start?

Lofton has played over 150 more snaps than ANY other of our LB's. Perhaps Ryan knows something the 'grader' doesn't? FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

Some other folks thinks he's okay too
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:06 PM   #22
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wow, when did the Lofton is the new Shanle bandwagon start?

Lofton has played over 150 more snaps than ANY other of our LB's. Perhaps Ryan knows something the 'grader' doesn't? FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

Some other folks thinks he's okay too
Linebacker Rankings: 2013 Regular Season - FF Today

Luke Kuechly tops inside linebacker rankings - NFL.com
What Lofton are u watching? The one that's not good in coverage or the one that's not good in stopping the run? Just because someone is on our team doesn't mean that they're beyond reproach.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:17 PM   #23
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Re: Surprising Grades on Defense

While Greer is not the player he was a few years ago; he's also up against the oppositions' No. 1 WRs - and there's a reason why they're No. 1 on their team...

Moving forward toward the 34, which is easier to staff than a 43, We've really got to make a concerted effort to get younger, faster, there as we've done on the line...

Glad to see Hawthorne getting it turned around after his rough first season...

And I'm becoming more of a fan each week with Corey White...

And I love our depth at safety with Bush and Abdul-Quddus...
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:21 PM   #24
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Yes, but you (ChrisXVI) are talking about him like he's some worthless bum. I've said this before but some of ya'll talk about Lofton like he is Orlando Ruff or Mark Simoneau or somebody. Lofton may not be a superstar but he is a good player. I would urge you to re-watch the first 4 or 5 games this season and still try to say bad things about him. Maybe he is dinged-up the last few weeks or something because we can see him not getting to the ball as much but that doesn't mean he isn't still a key piece of the defense.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:47 PM   #25
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Which Jenkins is that?
This one

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Old 11-15-2013, 10:12 PM   #26
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What Lofton are u watching? The one that's not good in coverage or the one that's not good in stopping the run? Just because someone is on our team doesn't mean that they're beyond reproach.
I guess I am watching the one who has 24 more tackles than any other player on the team, so reproach away.
Again, Ryan thinks enough of him to have him out there much more than any other LB, and that's good enough for me.
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Re: Surprising Grades on Defense

The thing about these grading services (I am assuming this one is PFF) is that they don't really know any particulars about a given play call or an individual's responsibility for that play.

Obviously if the DE beats his man clean and gets a sack, that's a plus for him, if he gets ragdolled that's a minus. If a corner in press coverage gets torched, it's all on him, etc. etc.

But honestly, you can't really judge linebackers, safeties or even linemen on run defense if you don't know what the play call was. If Lofton is supposed to blitz the A gap and the running back slips just past him, is that really his fault? Or if, say Herring blows his coverage and Lofton tries to make up ground to the ball but just can't make the play, is that his fault?

I agree with somebody above, if Ryan didn't think Lofton was playing at a fairly high level and contributing a whole lot to the defense, he wouldn't be on the field. Hawthorne and Humber have both been real good, yet Lofton is still out on the field most third downs. To me that says way more about his importance to the defense than any grading service.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:45 AM   #28
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What If I told you that Curtis Lofton grades out with the worst overall grade on Defense (-8), worst run defense (-4.3)...
Lofton has the most tackles on the team (54), also has the most missed tackles (14)
missed tackles - their definition of miss tackles?
Lofton is a 43 guy thats why we brought him here. in a 34 he is a 2 down LB that is a bit out of place. besides no one ever concidered him a cover LB. in fact that is why the falclowns let him go. but he seems to be working on it that or he is stumbling into the right passing lanes a bit more this year.

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Jenkins is second worse in RD (-3.5)
But he is getting better

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Hicks grades out the best run defense (5.4), Worst Pass Rush (-6.6)
Pass rush takes time. he is a small school kid that i am willing to give 2 more years to develop, way ahead of the curve in my book

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Greer is our worst pass Coverage (-4.1).
of course he gets picked on. never put up great INT numbers so he is a solid risk to attack

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Lewis is the most penalized player on our Defense (4)
some one has to wear the crown

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I just shared the grades.... Didn't give them.

A missed tackle is a missed tackle. They also listed stops, which I assume to be an assist.
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While Greer is not the player he was a few years ago; he's also up against the oppositions' No. 1 WRs - and there's a reason why they're No. 1 on their team...

Moving forward toward the 34, which is easier to staff than a 43, We've really got to make a concerted effort to get younger, faster, there as we've done on the line...

Glad to see Hawthorne getting it turned around after his rough first season...

And I'm becoming more of a fan each week with Corey White...

And I love our depth at safety with Bush and Abdul-Quddus...
I've seen more Lewis on #1s.

That wasn't NE #1 that scored the last TD on Greer in the back corner, neither was it Dallas's #1.
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