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DrewBrees15 11-18-2013 09:27 AM

Jimmy Graham - Contract Year Repercussion
 
This may be the result of a contract year and him not wanting to get further injured, but has anyone else noticed the number of alligator arm type efforts that Jimmy has had this year. Don't get me wrong I am very glad he is a Saint and still playing despite obviously being injured, but I think he is clearly protecting himself at times at the detriment of the team. He doesn't always fight for extra yardage when close to the first down marker and has many alligator arm efforts like the one on the deep ball yesterday. I am going to try to add a gif of the end of that play to show what I saw.

The Saints will probably use the franchise tag on Jimmy next year, which I think is going to cost the Saints Jimmy's full potential over the next year and a half. In my opinion a Jimmy deal needs to get done to preserve beast-like play for the rest of this year and next.

TheOak 11-18-2013 09:32 AM

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Jimmy has had that tendency for a while.

lee909 11-18-2013 09:51 AM

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I dont see him getting tagged.
It will be similar to Brees the other year.The may have to tag him to buy time but a deal will get done. The money isn't there for a tag , he will get tagged at WR level imo.

SaintsBro 11-18-2013 11:11 AM

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The pile of money is so huge, and there's such a difference between the WR and TE paydays, I would not be surprised at all if Graham will actually force the Saints to use the tag on him, get tagged, and then appeal whether he is to be paid a WR or a TE, to get more money.

The impatient rubber necks will all be like "Why hasn't Loomis signed Jimmy yet? What's wrong? Why don't we sign him right now? Hurry up!!!! They're going to let him get away!!!!" but I will bet you ten to one, that behind the scenes it will likely be Graham's agent who causes the delay, and not Loomis or the Saints. Why would you take a payday NOW, when you have the potential for an even higher payday if you wait, and find out how the arbitration rules whether Jimmy is a TE or a WR. It could make a huge difference in his pile of money.

It's the same thing as with Drew's appeal of HIS tag -- he was NEVER going to sign anything until that dispute had been worked out, over whether his previous tag for a different team in San Diego counted or not. Then, they decided it, and his deal was suddenly done a short couple of days later.

The two parties are close, but the tag is like insurance, guaranteeing that Jimmy WILL get some kind of top 5 money. Then the deal is finished and the details are negotiated.

There is nothing wrong with Jimmy Graham (other than nursing his injuries) and there is nothing wrong with the fact that he hasn't signed yet. Just because YOU want a Jimmy Graham deal right now, doesn't mean that HE wants it to get done right now. Just food for thought.

73Saint 11-18-2013 11:13 AM

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He definitely short armed one deep ball yesterday, early in the game if memory serves...

xan 11-18-2013 11:14 AM

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What's the difference between the highest paid tight end and the 10th highest paid wr?

Budsdrinker 11-18-2013 11:21 AM

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Yeah, I've notice Jimmy being a little gun shy this year. Could be protecting himself for his contract or protecting an injury we don't know about.

SaintsBro 11-18-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 549417)
What's the difference between the highest paid tight end and the 10th highest paid wr?

Top 5 TE -- range from 4.2 million to 6.8 million

Top 5 WR -- 6.74 million to 9.1 million

There is considerably more money in it for him if Jimmy is tagged as a WR

lee909 11-18-2013 11:22 AM

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Last years number
WR 9.5ml
TE 5.4ml

TheOak 11-18-2013 11:25 AM

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Jimmy will not force a tag. He will ride the negotiations out to get what he can but in the end he will chose to remain an affordable Saint.

My prediction.

xan 11-18-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 549422)
Top 5 TE -- range from 4.2 million to 6.8 million

Top 5 WR -- 6.74 million to 9.1 million

There is considerably more money in it for him if Jimmy is tagged as a WR


From this data, it is obvious thst he should be happy taking $7m per year. He's not megatron or wazzhisface from AZ, so...

DISPLACEDFAN 11-18-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 549429)
Jimmy will not force a tag. He will ride the negotiations out to get what he can but in the end he will chose to remain an affordable Saint.

My prediction.

Puff Puff Pass don't hog it all Humphery

when was the last time a player has not tried to get every dollor he could squeeze out before coming to a deal?

Jimmy's agent isn't going to allow that to happen.If he does than he should be fired
Agent is going to argue he's a wr
saints are gonna try to argue/make him sign a franchise TE deal
saints are on a slippery slope here their gonna have to pony up big bucks cause if they piss him off and make him commit to the TE franchise. I can see him getting pissed off and eventually going else where.
like signing the franchise TE for a year with the condition that he can't be franchised again. Then signing elsewhere to the highest bidder

TheOak 11-18-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN (Post 549437)
Puff Puff Pass don't hog it all Humphery

when was the last time a player has not tried to get every dollor he could squeeze out before coming to a deal?

Jimmy's agent isn't going to allow that to happen.
Agent is going to argue he's a wr
saints are gonna try to make him sign a franchise TE deal
saints are on a slippery slope here their gonna have to pony up big bucks cause if they piss him off and make him commit to the TE franchise. I can see him getting pissed off and eventually going else where.
like signing the franchise TE for a year with the condition that he can't be franchised again. Then signing elsewhere to the highest bidder


So you make a dope reference then agree wit me... :goodidea:

Saints will not push for a FT because that is a more expensive route and if there is anything we can not afford it is the more expensive route. They need Jimmy to sign a long term deal so the can pro-rate it out with a balloon at the end.

SaintnDE 11-18-2013 11:57 AM

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He needs to get rid of his aligator arms as of late.

DISPLACEDFAN 11-18-2013 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 549449)
So you make a dope reference then agree wit me... :goodidea:

Saints will not push for a FT because that is a more expensive route and if there is anything we can not afford it is the more expensive route. They need Jimmy to sign a long term deal so the can pro-rate it out with a balloon at the end.

Your thinking he's going to give us a home town discount is what I disagree with

Rugby Saint II 11-18-2013 12:05 PM

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He has arms like T-Rex........hmmmm.........how tall was T-Rex?

DrewBrees15 11-18-2013 12:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 549412)
The pile of money is so huge, and there's such a difference between the WR and TE paydays, I would not be surprised at all if Graham will actually force the Saints to use the tag on him, get tagged, and then appeal whether he is to be paid a WR or a TE, to get more money.

The impatient rubber necks will all be like "Why hasn't Loomis signed Jimmy yet? What's wrong? Why don't we sign him right now? Hurry up!!!! They're going to let him get away!!!!" but I will bet you ten to one, that behind the scenes it will likely be Graham's agent who causes the delay, and not Loomis or the Saints. Why would you take a payday NOW, when you have the potential for an even higher payday if you wait, and find out how the arbitration rules whether Jimmy is a TE or a WR. It could make a huge difference in his pile of money.

It's the same thing as with Drew's appeal of HIS tag -- he was NEVER going to sign anything until that dispute had been worked out, over whether his previous tag for a different team in San Diego counted or not. Then, they decided it, and his deal was suddenly done a short couple of days later.

The two parties are close, but the tag is like insurance, guaranteeing that Jimmy WILL get some kind of top 5 money. Then the deal is finished and the details are negotiated.

There is nothing wrong with Jimmy Graham (other than nursing his injuries) and there is nothing wrong with the fact that he hasn't signed yet. Just because YOU want a Jimmy Graham deal right now, doesn't mean that HE wants it to get done right now. Just food for thought.

I'm totally on board with Jimmy and his agent trying to maximize and realize that all involved are trying to get the best deal for his services. I am just growing tired of watching him play like a girl at times (most) and at other times play like a beast (only when he smells the goal line). I was hoping a contract resolution might make it so we don't have to see another year and a half of this.

TheOak 11-18-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN (Post 549452)
Your thinking he's going to give us a home town discount is what I disagree with

Jimmy is from Goldsboro, North Carolina.

DISPLACEDFAN 11-18-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 549455)
Jimmy is from Goldsboro, North Carolina.

Funny
such the comedian

Mardigras9 11-18-2013 12:21 PM

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He has arms like T-Rex........hmmmm.........how tall was T-Rex?


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dueceloose 11-18-2013 01:00 PM

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The deep ball he could've had but immediately been smacked .. on one hand I wish he would've went for it but on the other hand I'd rather have jimmy than possibly not because of injury. We all know jimmys no punk and loves the team.

GRAMBEAUX!

gulfgambler 11-20-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dueceloose (Post 549534)
The deep ball he could've had but immediately been smacked .. on one hand I wish he would've went for it but on the other hand I'd rather have jimmy than possibly not because of injury. We all know jimmys no punk and loves the team.

GRAMBEAUX!

He's already getting paid to make that catch. Marcus Colston has and would have. If wants the big bucks, he needs to make these type of big plays. The way I saw that play w/ the momentum he had, I think the Whiner safety is glad he didn't catch it.

foreverfan 11-20-2013 07:22 PM

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Last I looked Jimmy was listed as a TE. When he starts running a 4.4 forty then he can play WR.

Schmohams 11-20-2013 07:23 PM

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I try to find positives in everything bad that happens during the games. If Jimmy continues to drop balls like that and not fight for first downs then his stats show he is not as great as he could be and gets a contract for less money.


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