Running attack vs. Seahawks defense. Thoughts?

Marching · 11-25-2013, 05:47 PM

Nothing spectacular, but it'll be competent.

Statistically, the 49ers have a better run defense than the Seahawks do, and we ran it well vs the 49ers.

Seahawks12th · 11-25-2013, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by onanygivenSu

If you simply look at the numbers for the season thus far, the Saints are 23rd best in the league running the ball and Seattle is 15th best in stopping the run... so, slight advantage to Seattle.

In the passing game, the Saints are 2nd best in the league and Seattle's defense against the pass is 2nd best.... so I'll call that a push.

Flipping it around, Seattle is 3rd best in running the ball and the Saints are 14th best in defending the run... advantage Seattle.

And Seattle is 24th best passing the ball and the Saints are 3rd best defending the pass... advantage Saints.

Both teams are excellent in defending the pass. Both teams are middle of the pack in defending the run.

The Saints forte is passing the ball. Seattle's forte is running the ball. No surprise, right? Pretty much what we already knew.

Imo, the outcome of the game will hinge on which team is more effective in establishing their run game and staying with it to the bitter end.

It should be a helluva good game to watch and a credit to both organizations being featured on MNF late in the season.

Excellent analysis but that isn't what you said in the other and I quote: I disagree. Most of the advantages are in the Saints favor.

Last time the teams played in regular season, the Saints spanked the Seattle 34-19 in 2010, and 28-17 in 2008. Yes, Seattle won the playoff game in 2010 but I think that we'd all agree that game was clearly an aberration. Seattle just got lucky that day.

Seattle has a midget for a QB who has never played in a MNF game before. That's huge. Think "deer in the headlights scared". They also run that Read Option gimmick offense because Wilson can't stay in the pocket and throw the ball effectively like Drew Brees.

Seattle doesn't have a TE who is anywhere near as productive as Jimmy Graham. Hell, Zach Miller even seldom gets to go out for a pass because he's needed to stay on the line and block due to Seattle's inconsistent and weak O-line.

And Seattle's so-called "Legion of Boom" is currently decimated by the injury to Brandon Browner and the fact that his back-up, Walter Thurmond, will be out due to a 4-game suspension.

The Saints have the advantage in this game.

Anyone who tells you different is fooling only themselves.

You are a TROLL!!

dueceloose · 11-25-2013, 06:43 PM

I'd have to say I'm a little less worried now that Seattle is hurting on CB's but as far as running goes. We should be able to get a decent amount. I don't see us gauging them on the ground but maybe Sean has a different plan.

Weather will also change things.

halloween 65 · 11-25-2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Seahawks12th

Excellent analysis but that isn't what you said in the other and I quote: I disagree. Most of the advantages are in the Saints favor.

Last time the teams played in regular season, the Saints spanked the Seattle 34-19 in 2010, and 28-17 in 2008. Yes, Seattle won the playoff game in 2010 but I think that we'd all agree that game was clearly an aberration. Seattle just got lucky that day.

Seattle has a midget for a QB who has never played in a MNF game before. That's huge. Think "deer in the headlights scared". They also run that Read Option gimmick offense because Wilson can't stay in the pocket and throw the ball effectively like Drew Brees.

Seattle doesn't have a TE who is anywhere near as productive as Jimmy Graham. Hell, Zach Miller even seldom gets to go out for a pass because he's needed to stay on the line and block due to Seattle's inconsistent and weak O-line.

And Seattle's so-called "Legion of Boom" is currently decimated by the injury to Brandon Browner and the fact that his back-up, Walter Thurmond, will be out due to a 4-game suspension.

The Saints have the advantage in this game.

Anyone who tells you different is fooling only themselves.

You are a TROLL!!

11 on 11, rain or shine, no excuses here!!

SaintSproles · 11-25-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

I'd have to say I'm a little less worried now that Seattle is hurting on CB's but as far as running goes. We should be able to get a decent amount. I don't see us gauging them on the ground but maybe Sean has a different plan.

Weather will also change things.

A different plan, yes.

With the Seahawks digging deep into having to play nickel and dime backs with little or no experience, the Saints will more than likely go pass heavy in this game and mix in the run just enough for the play action to be effective.

45 passes
20 runs

hagan714 · 11-25-2013, 09:41 PM

it will be a battle so get ice in the tubs before half time.

suck them up with a bit of the run . then open them up with pass. then you start getting those nice 6 to 15 yard runs. suckem back up to line and start all over again.

same thing we did with the whiners and the cowgirls

do not get away from the run and go pass happy. as good as we are at it it is not our best game plan. jets and the pats are proof of that

if we get 150 yards rushing we should be looking sweet. 100 or less we are in a bit of trouble. 60 - 40 pass to run should be cool

MaggieMayTB · 11-26-2013, 07:40 AM

Dropping my fantasy bird dinner, I do not appreciate any comments regarding the height of Wilson. This is off limits.

Wilson has made it very clear he is a fan of Drew Brees and Drew is his role model.

Any conversation regarding height and Wilson, just replace Wilson's name with young QB Drew Brees.

Do not get caught spewing double talk and height is double talk.

Now, excuse me as I return to my bird and dressing.
Carry on.

Danno · 11-26-2013, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB

Dropping my fantasy bird dinner, I do not appreciate any comments regarding the height of Wilson. This is off limits.

Wilson has made it very clear he is a fan of Drew Brees and Drew is his role model.

Any conversation regarding height and Wilson, just replace Wilson's name with young QB Drew Brees.

Do not get caught spewing double talk and height is double talk.

Now, excuse me as I return to my bird and dressing.
Carry on.

Didn't Russell train with Brees a little over the off-season? I may be thinking of someone else.

Russell Wilson is one of this leagues future stars, and from everything I gather is a class act. We need more Russell Wilsons and fewer Cam Newtons.

But with that said, I hope we rip his frigging head off this week.

saintsfan1976 · 11-26-2013, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe better than you think ... we have a healthy stable of backs. Whereas other teams have no depth.

Have all the backs you want. We need a healthy stable of holes for them to run through.

Budsdrinker · 11-26-2013, 08:30 AM

To answer the OP question, I think we will run pretty well against Seattle.
Maybe get them to bring ET down to stop the run and throw a few deep.

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11-25-2013, 06:01 PM	#12
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Running attack vs. Seahawks defense. Thoughts? Originally Posted by onanygivenSu If you simply look at the numbers for the season thus far, the Saints are 23rd best in the league running the ball and Seattle is 15th best in stopping the run... so, slight advantage to Seattle. In the passing game, the Saints are 2nd best in the league and Seattle's defense against the pass is 2nd best.... so I'll call that a push. Flipping it around, Seattle is 3rd best in running the ball and the Saints are 14th best in defending the run... advantage Seattle. And Seattle is 24th best passing the ball and the Saints are 3rd best defending the pass... advantage Saints. Both teams are excellent in defending the pass. Both teams are middle of the pack in defending the run. The Saints forte is passing the ball. Seattle's forte is running the ball. No surprise, right? Pretty much what we already knew. Imo, the outcome of the game will hinge on which team is more effective in establishing their run game and staying with it to the bitter end. It should be a helluva good game to watch and a credit to both organizations being featured on MNF late in the season. Excellent analysis but that isn't what you said in the other and I quote: I disagree. Most of the advantages are in the Saints favor. Last time the teams played in regular season, the Saints spanked the Seattle 34-19 in 2010, and 28-17 in 2008. Yes, Seattle won the playoff game in 2010 but I think that we'd all agree that game was clearly an aberration. Seattle just got lucky that day. Seattle has a midget for a QB who has never played in a MNF game before. That's huge. Think "deer in the headlights scared". They also run that Read Option gimmick offense because Wilson can't stay in the pocket and throw the ball effectively like Drew Brees. Seattle doesn't have a TE who is anywhere near as productive as Jimmy Graham. Hell, Zach Miller even seldom gets to go out for a pass because he's needed to stay on the line and block due to Seattle's inconsistent and weak O-line. And Seattle's so-called "Legion of Boom" is currently decimated by the injury to Brandon Browner and the fact that his back-up, Walter Thurmond, will be out due to a 4-game suspension. The Saints have the advantage in this game. Anyone who tells you different is fooling only themselves. You are a TROLL!! AlaskaSaints likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Running attack vs. Seahawks defense. Thoughts? Originally Posted by Seahawks12th Excellent analysis but that isn't what you said in the other and I quote: I disagree. Most of the advantages are in the Saints favor. Last time the teams played in regular season, the Saints spanked the Seattle 34-19 in 2010, and 28-17 in 2008. Yes, Seattle won the playoff game in 2010 but I think that we'd all agree that game was clearly an aberration. Seattle just got lucky that day. Seattle has a midget for a QB who has never played in a MNF game before. That's huge. Think "deer in the headlights scared". They also run that Read Option gimmick offense because Wilson can't stay in the pocket and throw the ball effectively like Drew Brees. Seattle doesn't have a TE who is anywhere near as productive as Jimmy Graham. Hell, Zach Miller even seldom gets to go out for a pass because he's needed to stay on the line and block due to Seattle's inconsistent and weak O-line. And Seattle's so-called "Legion of Boom" is currently decimated by the injury to Brandon Browner and the fact that his back-up, Walter Thurmond, will be out due to a 4-game suspension. The Saints have the advantage in this game. Anyone who tells you different is fooling only themselves. You are a TROLL!! 11 on 11, rain or shine, no excuses here!!

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Running attack vs. Seahawks defense. Thoughts? Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB Dropping my fantasy bird dinner, I do not appreciate any comments regarding the height of Wilson. This is off limits. Wilson has made it very clear he is a fan of Drew Brees and Drew is his role model. Any conversation regarding height and Wilson, just replace Wilson's name with young QB Drew Brees. Do not get caught spewing double talk and height is double talk. Now, excuse me as I return to my bird and dressing. Carry on. Didn't Russell train with Brees a little over the off-season? I may be thinking of someone else. Russell Wilson is one of this leagues future stars, and from everything I gather is a class act. We need more Russell Wilsons and fewer Cam Newtons. But with that said, I hope we rip his frigging head off this week.

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