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Outside Linebacker 21 23.33%
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Wide Receiver 32 35.56%
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2014 NFL Draft

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Old 04-23-2014, 10:03 AM   #821
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You know we have all lost site of some of the the lesser known players we have talked about in this thread so lets let FoofballCEO at NFL DRAFT | FOOTBALL GAMEPLAN remind us of a few.


there are more to and he makes rethink your rankings
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:41 AM   #822
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My Top 34 OLB:

(1) Khalil Mack, Buffalo

(2) Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech

(2) Anthony Barr, UCLA

(4) Ryan Shazier, Ohio St

(5) Kyle Van Noy, BYU

(6) Trevor Reilly, Utah

(7) Jordan Tripp, Montana

(8) Howard Jones, Shepherd

(9) Telvin Smith, Florida St

(10) Adrian Hubbard, Bama
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:09 PM   #823
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Just did three separate mock drafts:

1.27 - Marqise Lee, WR, USC
2.27 - Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
3.27 - Jordan Zumwalt, OLB, UCLA
4.27 - Josh Mauro, DE, Stanford
5.27 - Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
6.27 - Anthony Fera, K, Texas
7.27 - Carrington Byndom, CB, Texas

1.27 - Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
2.27 - Marcus Martin, OC, USC
3.27 - Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana
4.27 - James Hurst, OT, North Carolina
5.27 - Khairi Fortt, OLB, Cali
6.27 - Aaron Lynch, DE, USF
7.27 - Ryan Groy, OG, Wisconsin

1.27 - Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
2.27 - Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St
3.27 - Juwuan James, OT, Tennessee
4.27 - EJ Gaines, CB, Missouri
5.27 - Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama
6.27 - Shamar Stephen, DT, Connecticut
7.27 - Quincy Enunwa, WR, Nebraska
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:30 PM   #824
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Marqise Lee, WR, USC and Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St

I can not get all that excited about these two. In the past two years they have had the case of the drops way to often for me to see using a first on on either much less a second.

Benjamin and LEE get a vote of no confidence from me and i do not want to see them in B&G, WR corp has enough questions already with out adding WR that have issues catching

Neither are on my board
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:56 PM   #825
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Marqise Lee, WR, USC and Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St

I can not get all that excited about these two. In the past two years they have had the case of the drops way to often for me to see using a first on on either much less a second.

Benjamin and LEE get a vote of no confidence from me and i do not want to see them in B&G, WR corp has enough questions already with out adding WR that have issues catching

Neither are on my board
I agree on Kelvin Benjamin. He does not have the best hands right now, but the guy is a heck of an athlete and he has the potential to be big time.

Where are you seeing Lee has a case of the dropsies? Pretty much every scouting report I have read on Lee raves about what soft hands he has.
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Old 04-24-2014, 05:10 PM   #826
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Lee has acknowledged those drops and is working specifically on improving his hands. Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio asked Lee on PFT Live what area of his game he needs to improve upon, and the receiver said, "Really just catching the ball. I was doing a lot of thinking about running before catching the ball. I've just really been focused on looking the ball all the way in before I actually turn upfield and get going."

Can Marqise Lee Be More Than a No. 2 WR in the NFL? | Bleacher Report

“Lee had too many drops in 2013 but displayed good ball skills in his freshman and sophomore seasons. He is a big-play weapon after the catch and is a vertical route-runner.” – ESPN Draft analyst Todd McShay.

Draft Countdown - No. 23 Marqise Lee | NFL UK

More from Miller, “The USC product has pedigree and is a solid player, but what he lacks in consistent hands and health has caused a steady drop down the board. Lee made plenty of big plays at USC, but digging through three years of film, you’ll see a player who didn’t improve or develop during that time. Lee has to become a more consistent pass-catcher before I see him as a reliable starting NFL wide receiver.”

NFL Draft Rumors: Marqise Lee most overrated draft prospect - FanSided - Sports News, Entertainment, Lifestyle & Technology - 270+ Sites

Look he will amaze you most of the time the skills are there BUT there will be times where you will want to throw a brick at the TV. some serious scouting and coaching is needed with the this pick. lapse of concentration on routine routes does not make a first rounder in my book. Sounds to much like the Mechuem pick relived all over again.

I have watch USC over the past two years and even in his glorious sophomore year he had more than few drops that made you wonder were his head is at. it was a safe bet he would have one or two per game. this is not the USC run down your throat teams of the past. they passed a lot so a lot is lost in the stats.

Plus heed a warning USC has one of the greatest marketing departments in the country. Thats why i look at the USC OC with a level of concern. out of no where at the end of the season he is the greatest thin since sliced bread? I did not see that in his play. upside? back to Lee

I would be pi%%ed with Benjamin and disappointed in the Lee pick. Lee would not be dropping into our laps he is a bottom feeder of round one and atop of round 2. even thing there is a lot of upside putting him the bottom of the first. if he does improve he would be a steal but he is pretty much the same WR leaving college as when he arrived. that scares me. natural ability only gets you so far in the NFL.

straight too the church do the stations of the cross and beg for divine intervention,

then straight to the hardware store and buy an extra jar of stick-em to send to him and Toon.

And thank god once again for flat rate shipping.

I can understand the pick and could give it time but apprehensive would be my final verdict on the pick.

With baited breath i would wait to see if pick 2 makes me feel better
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I absolutely did not want Bradley Roby and now that he's been arrested for operating a vehicle under the influence I don't think he'll even be on our board.
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@hagan - That's interesting...

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report - Marqise Lee, WR USC - With the First Pick - NFL Scouting Reports, College Football, and the 2013 NFL Draft

Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Those two reports say he is a natural hands catcher. Interesting how reports are conflicting on Lee's hands..
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Scouting reports are an art form... Some person's opinion can completely skew how the masses view a player. Why the hell do we care if Todd McShay, CBS Sports, or Bleacher Report thinks Marqise Lee dropped too many passes last season?! Not to mention that as soon as one person says it the rest start saying it too because they don't want to do the research. The best WR in Saints history was a 7th round pick... What did Colston's scouting report say?!
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What did Colston's scouting report say?!
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OVERVIEW
Colston is an imposing physical specimen who returned for his final collegiate season in 2005. A shoulder injury kept him on the sidelines in 2004, but he made up for lost time with one of the finest senior campaigns in the history of Pride football.

Colston lettered four times in football and was a three-year member of the track team at Susquehanna High School. He was an All-Conference selection at both receiver and defensive end as a senior. He made 37 catches for 412 yards and blocked three punts in 2000. He was also a District III qualifier in track.

Colston joined the Hofstra program as a 195-pounder in 2001. He was expected to redshirt, but injuries forced the coaching staff to play him in five late-season games. The result was 14 receptions for 335 yards (23.9 avg) and three touchdowns.

Colston became a regular at split end in 2002. He finished second on the squad with 47 receptions for 614 yards (13.1 avg) and three touchdowns. Despite being bothered by a nagging shoulder problem, he started every game in 2004. Colston ranked fifth in the Atlantic Ten Conference as he led the team with 910 yards and seven touchdowns on 51 catches (17.8 avg).

Colston sat out the 2004 season to recover from November 2003 shoulder surgery. He returned with a vengeance in 2005. Now tipping the scales at over 230 pounds, he punished cornerbacks all season, ranking 10th in the nation in receptions per game and 14th in yards gained receiving per game. He led the Pride with a career-high 70 catches for 975 yards (13.5 avg) and five touchdowns.

In 40 games with the Pride, Colston started 37 times. He finished second on the school's career list with 182 receptions and set a Hofstra record with 2,834 yards receiving. He converted 18 of those catches into touchdowns.

ANALYSIS
Positives: Has a tall, thick frame with long limbs … Physical player who excels on slants and crossing patterns, as he uses his size to shield defenders from the ball … Has enough leg drive to break tackles … Uses his hands effectively to power through the jam and his size makes it difficult for cornerbacks in attempts to reroute him or knock him off his patterns … Has the field awareness to settle in the zone's soft spot and does a good job of using his body to wall off defenders … Fearless catching in a crowd and is the type that will dish out more punishment than he gets working in traffic … Can outmaneuver smaller defenders for a jump ball … Times his leaps well to get to the ball at its high point.

Negatives: At his maximum weight for a receiver (any more bulk might dictate a move to tight end) … Will throttle down and observe the action when he is not involved in the play … Has good timed speed, but because of his long stride and inability to stay low in his pads, he can't generate the burst needed to separate on long routes … Lacks plant-and-drive agility, spending too much time rounding his cuts and gathering at the top of the route … Has had ball concentration issues that resulted in several costly fumbles … Does not have the second gear needed to separate and turn a small catch into a big gain … Needs to explode out of his cuts better and this is caused mostly when he fails to drop his route in his patterns … Has large hands, but will sometimes short arm going for the ball in a crowd or double catch (see 2005 Northeastern and Richmond games).




Colston has a tall frame with long limbs and adequate muscle definition. He added bulk during the off-season and his frame is at maximum growth potential for a receiver without losing any of his burst and quickness. Much like former Green Bay Packer Tyrone Davis and former New Orleans Saint Eddie "Boo" Williams, Colston might eventually fill out more and will then probably have to shift to tight end at the pro level.

Colston is a tough, physical receiver who relished his role as a chain-mover. He has a strong release, but needs to be more consistent generating explosion coming off the line of scrimmage. He is a bit of a long strider, but has the sudden burst to separate after the catch. Despite his excellent timed speed, he does not have good initial quickness, as he needs to build to top speed.

As a route-runner, Colston needs to refine his technique. He rounds his cuts too often and while he shows a good burst after the catch, his long stride makes him appear lazy getting into his routes. In order to be effective, he will need to explode out of his cuts better. He runs mostly slants and underneath routes and needs to recognize movement better.

Colston has the speed to elude, but prefers to power through defenders coming out of his breaks and this resulted in several costly fumbles in 2005 (see Richmond and Northeastern games). He knows how to use his size to wall off defenders and shield the ball. He has large hands and long arms to reach and pluck the ball, but most of his drops are caused by a lack of concentration.

Colston likes the contact working over the middle. He is not afraid to take a hit going over the middle and this attitude, combined with his body growth, could see him more effective as an underneath target at tight end rather than lining up at split end. He has the body control to twist and turn to make the catch in a crowd and shows good flexibility to secure the pass at its high point (just needs better consistency).

At the level he played at, he still struggled when having to go deep and needs to stay lower in his pads and show better hip snap to generate more explosion in his routes. Before 2005, he would try to overpower defenders, but now shows better balance and leg drive. He developed some wiggle to escape initial contact, but when he gathers before cutting, he negates his timed speed.

His frame and aggressiveness would make him an effective blocker, but he will lose concentration at times, keep his arms short and this allows defenders to slip past in backside pursuit. The talent and strength are there to be a good in-line blocker. He just needs to develop better overall consistency.

Colston is an interesting prospect because of his size and timed speed. He needs to show more explosiveness in his burst and develop better consistency. He is prone to mental lapses on the field and while he is a hard worker, he is not regarded as leadership material. He needs to be pushed at times, as he tends to get lazy, but overall, he has been a good program player. Based on his size/speed ratio, if he continues to run well in private workouts, he could sneak into the mid-to-late round draft picture.
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