2014 NFL Draft

exile · 05-06-2014, 09:35 AM

Facepalm

Telvin Smith, LB, NFL Draft Prospect

Florida State LBs Telvin Smith and Christian Jones have been reported as failing his drug tests during the NFL Scouting Combine in February.

exile · 05-06-2014, 10:21 AM

Saints | Interested in Jonathan Dowling - NFL Hot off the Wire

The New Orleans Saints view Western Kentucky SS Jonathan Dowling as the perfect complement to FS Kenny Vaccaro.

K Major · 05-06-2014, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Saints | Interested in Jonathan Dowling - NFL Hot off the Wire

The New Orleans Saints view Western Kentucky SS Jonathan Dowling as the perfect complement to FS Kenny Vaccaro.

Interesting. Not familiar with his body of work or WKU for that matter. I assume he is worth a look?

lee909 · 05-06-2014, 10:42 AM

He is a big boy for a SS.
Just reading NFL write up. Doesn't make much sense in places, not a great tackler and gets bullied. Id say causing 8 forced fumbles shows he hits hard and often on the arms, elbow or the ball.

Jonathan Dowling*(SS)

HT:*6'3"*WT:*190LBS.

POSITION:*SS

SCHOOL:*Western Kentucky

ARM LENGTH:*33 1/8"

HANDS:*9 1/4"

Overview

Was rated as one of the top safeties in the country as a Florida prep. During his senior season, he had 14 interceptions (returning two for touchdowns) and three blocked punts. Also lettered in track. Began his college career at Florida, seeing action in two games as a true freshman in 2010. In November, though, he was kicked off the team in-season by coach Urban Meyer for reportedly not complying with staff and coaches as well as skipping class. Sat out in 2011, transferring to Western Kentucky. Returned to the field in 2012 and immediately made his presence felt, recording 68 tackles, seven pass breakups and six interceptions with 2.5 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles in 12 games (11 starts) at free safety. Scored on a 39-yard interception return against North Texas. Was suspended one game for a hit classified as "flagrant and dangerous," which had earned him an ejection. Started 12 games and had 67 tackles, seven pass breakups and three interceptions with one tackle for loss and an NCAA-leading six forced fumbles in 2013. Returned a blocked field goal 70 yards for a touchdown against Morgan State.

COMBINE STATS40 YARD DASH:*4.52 SECBENCH PRESS:*8 REPSVERTICAL JUMP:*33.5 INCHBROAD JUMP:*118.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL:*7.04 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE:*4.24 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE:*11.56 SEC

ANALYSISStrengths

Has a rangy frame with room for added bulk. Excellent height and long arms to contend in the air and play the pocket. Good hands to snatch interceptions. Nice linear fluidity. Covers ground with long strides -- rangy off the hash to get over the top. Flashes striking ability when his shoulder blows connect. Playmaking ability -- 9 INTs and 8 FFs in last two seasons. Has special-teams experience covering kicks.

Weaknesses

High-cut and lanky for a safety -- durability could be an issue and he needs to add body armor. Gets bullied in the box. Average eyes and instincts. Takes some inaccurate angles. Shoddy tackler with poor fundamentals -- hits too high, ankle-bites low or launches himself and whiffs. Talks too much and shows off-putting body language. Questionable mental toughness. Thinks he’s better than he is. Character, maturity and coachability should be looked into.

Draft Projection

Rounds 4-5

Bottom Line

Lean, long-levered, smooth-muscled, finesse free safety with speed and range, though he's more interested in hitting than securing tackles. He does not provide dependability desired on the back end.

exile · 05-06-2014, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Interesting. Not familiar with his body of work or WKU for that matter. I assume he is worth a look?

He is a former top 10 recruit that played his freshman year at Florida. Well, until he got kicked off the team. Then of course lit it up at WKU.

Jonathan Dowling NFL Draft 2014: Highlights, Scouting Report and More | Bleacher Report

Hopefully he has grown up a little.

S Jonathan Dowling’s attitude led to dismissal | Gator Bytes blog: University of Florida | The Palm Beach Post
Dowling, a former four-star recruit ranked No. 10 in the nation by ESPN, was missing classes and tutoring sessions. When UF staff tried to correct the issue, Dowling was disrespectful.
“He was a complete (expletive),” a source said.

Seer1 · 05-06-2014, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

He is a big boy for a SS.
Just reading NFL write up. Doesn't make much sense in places, not a great tackler and gets bullied. Id say causing 8 forced fumbles shows he hits hard and often on the arms, elbow or the ball.

Jonathan Dowling*(SS)

HT:*6'3"*WT:*190LBS.

POSITION:*SS

SCHOOL:*Western Kentucky

ARM LENGTH:*33 1/8"

HANDS:*9 1/4"

Overview

Was rated as one of the top safeties in the country as a Florida prep. During his senior season, he had 14 interceptions (returning two for touchdowns) and three blocked punts. Also lettered in track. Began his college career at Florida, seeing action in two games as a true freshman in 2010. In November, though, he was kicked off the team in-season by coach Urban Meyer for reportedly not complying with staff and coaches as well as skipping class. Sat out in 2011, transferring to Western Kentucky. Returned to the field in 2012 and immediately made his presence felt, recording 68 tackles, seven pass breakups and six interceptions with 2.5 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles in 12 games (11 starts) at free safety. Scored on a 39-yard interception return against North Texas. Was suspended one game for a hit classified as "flagrant and dangerous," which had earned him an ejection. Started 12 games and had 67 tackles, seven pass breakups and three interceptions with one tackle for loss and an NCAA-leading six forced fumbles in 2013. Returned a blocked field goal 70 yards for a touchdown against Morgan State.

COMBINE STATS40 YARD DASH:*4.52 SECBENCH PRESS:*8 REPSVERTICAL JUMP:*33.5 INCHBROAD JUMP:*118.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL:*7.04 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE:*4.24 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE:*11.56 SEC

ANALYSISStrengths

Has a rangy frame with room for added bulk. Excellent height and long arms to contend in the air and play the pocket. Good hands to snatch interceptions. Nice linear fluidity. Covers ground with long strides -- rangy off the hash to get over the top. Flashes striking ability when his shoulder blows connect. Playmaking ability -- 9 INTs and 8 FFs in last two seasons. Has special-teams experience covering kicks.

Weaknesses

High-cut and lanky for a safety -- durability could be an issue and he needs to add body armor. Gets bullied in the box. Average eyes and instincts. Takes some inaccurate angles. Shoddy tackler with poor fundamentals -- hits too high, ankle-bites low or launches himself and whiffs. Talks too much and shows off-putting body language. Questionable mental toughness. Thinks he’s better than he is. Character, maturity and coachability should be looked into.

Draft Projection

Rounds 4-5

Bottom Line

Lean, long-levered, smooth-muscled, finesse free safety with speed and range, though he's more interested in hitting than securing tackles. He does not provide dependability desired on the back end.

Haven't we had enough of shoulder tacklers yet?

hagan714 · 05-06-2014, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

DT Timmy Jernigan was also on list for "diluted sample"...

what do always here the experts say before the combine and pro days. hydrate hydrate hydrate. so is a diluted sample really surprising?

that is how i got away with all my testing in my youth. drink the night before, two gallons of water before bed, a pot of coffee and too top it off a gallon of water as i walked in the door. all to fill up one tiny cup in the end. granted that pee usually took a half hour to complete the task

super hydrate yourself baby and get that pay check.

hagan714 · 05-06-2014, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Saints | Interested in Jonathan Dowling - NFL Hot off the Wire

The New Orleans Saints view Western Kentucky SS Jonathan Dowling as the perfect complement to FS Kenny Vaccaro.

Originally Posted by Seer1

Haven't we had enough of shoulder tacklers yet?

Yes we have

So stop screwing around. Bucannon is the man! glad to see i was not all that crazy about adding another SS.

Since when is Kenny a FS? he is more of a rover safety back there than a FS or SS. that is what he does best. the saints may have come up with a new safety sub listing

Queen of the beauty show at the combine. none prettier. Best of show hands down.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Deone Bucannon

Bucannon is 6-foot-1, 211 pounds. He finished his college career ranked among the Cougars’ all-time leaders in tackles (384) and interceptions (15). He never missed a game, which given his style of play, speaks volumes about his durability.
Deone Bucannon

FIND ME A BETTER PRODUCTION RECORD PLEASE

He can not get the love. They are bigots !!!!!!! SS that can out play FS? Impossible. they are IDOTS

Byrd + Deone has a solid chance of becoming the best ball hawking Satey combo in the NFL. Then to have Kenny running around doing his thing with Bush sprinkled in ... it is a dream come true. who says 4 safeties can not take the field at the same time?

exile · 05-07-2014, 08:57 AM

Source: Arkansas kicker Zach Hocker worked out for Colts, Cardinals, Eagles, Saints | National Football Post

A second-team All-Southeastern Conference selection, the 6-foot, 191-pounder set school records for points and points by a kicker (354), field-goal percentage (77.2), point-after touchdowns (171), point-after attempts (173) and field goals converted (61).

hagan714 · 05-07-2014, 11:50 AM

love the UDFA kickers. cheap and easy to come by

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Tackle (Offense)	48	53.33%
Safety	12	13.33%
Inside Linebacker	17	18.89%
Center	26	28.89%
Cornerback	29	32.22%
Wide Receiver	32	35.56%
Guard	9	10.00%
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05-06-2014, 09:35 AM	#931
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Facepalm Telvin Smith, LB, NFL Draft Prospect Florida State LBs Telvin Smith and Christian Jones have been reported as failing his drug tests during the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
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05-06-2014, 10:21 AM	#932
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Saints \| Interested in Jonathan Dowling - NFL Hot off the Wire The New Orleans Saints view Western Kentucky SS Jonathan Dowling as the perfect complement to FS Kenny Vaccaro. hagan714 likes this.
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05-06-2014, 10:29 AM	#933
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile Saints \| Interested in Jonathan Dowling - NFL Hot off the Wire The New Orleans Saints view Western Kentucky SS Jonathan Dowling as the perfect complement to FS Kenny Vaccaro. Interesting. Not familiar with his body of work or WKU for that matter. I assume he is worth a look?

05-06-2014, 10:42 AM	#934
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,725 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2014 NFL Draft He is a big boy for a SS. Just reading NFL write up. Doesn't make much sense in places, not a great tackler and gets bullied. Id say causing 8 forced fumbles shows he hits hard and often on the arms, elbow or the ball. Jonathan Dowling(SS) HT:6'3"WT:190LBS. POSITION:SS SCHOOL:Western Kentucky ARM LENGTH:33 1/8" HANDS:9 1/4" Overview Was rated as one of the top safeties in the country as a Florida prep. During his senior season, he had 14 interceptions (returning two for touchdowns) and three blocked punts. Also lettered in track. Began his college career at Florida, seeing action in two games as a true freshman in 2010. In November, though, he was kicked off the team in-season by coach Urban Meyer for reportedly not complying with staff and coaches as well as skipping class. Sat out in 2011, transferring to Western Kentucky. Returned to the field in 2012 and immediately made his presence felt, recording 68 tackles, seven pass breakups and six interceptions with 2.5 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles in 12 games (11 starts) at free safety. Scored on a 39-yard interception return against North Texas. Was suspended one game for a hit classified as "flagrant and dangerous," which had earned him an ejection. Started 12 games and had 67 tackles, seven pass breakups and three interceptions with one tackle for loss and an NCAA-leading six forced fumbles in 2013. Returned a blocked field goal 70 yards for a touchdown against Morgan State. COMBINE STATS40 YARD DASH:4.52 SECBENCH PRESS:8 REPSVERTICAL JUMP:33.5 INCHBROAD JUMP:118.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL:7.04 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE:4.24 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE:*11.56 SEC ANALYSISStrengths Has a rangy frame with room for added bulk. Excellent height and long arms to contend in the air and play the pocket. Good hands to snatch interceptions. Nice linear fluidity. Covers ground with long strides -- rangy off the hash to get over the top. Flashes striking ability when his shoulder blows connect. Playmaking ability -- 9 INTs and 8 FFs in last two seasons. Has special-teams experience covering kicks. Weaknesses High-cut and lanky for a safety -- durability could be an issue and he needs to add body armor. Gets bullied in the box. Average eyes and instincts. Takes some inaccurate angles. Shoddy tackler with poor fundamentals -- hits too high, ankle-bites low or launches himself and whiffs. Talks too much and shows off-putting body language. Questionable mental toughness. Thinks he’s better than he is. Character, maturity and coachability should be looked into. Draft Projection Rounds 4-5 Bottom Line Lean, long-levered, smooth-muscled, finesse free safety with speed and range, though he's more interested in hitting than securing tackles. He does not provide dependability desired on the back end.
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05-06-2014, 10:44 AM	#935
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by K Major Interesting. Not familiar with his body of work or WKU for that matter. I assume he is worth a look? He is a former top 10 recruit that played his freshman year at Florida. Well, until he got kicked off the team. Then of course lit it up at WKU. Jonathan Dowling NFL Draft 2014: Highlights, Scouting Report and More \| Bleacher Report Hopefully he has grown up a little. S Jonathan Dowling’s attitude led to dismissal \| Gator Bytes blog: University of Florida \| The Palm Beach Post Dowling, a former four-star recruit ranked No. 10 in the nation by ESPN, was missing classes and tutoring sessions. When UF staff tried to correct the issue, Dowling was disrespectful. “He was a complete (expletive),” a source said.
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05-06-2014, 04:05 PM	#936
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by lee909 He is a big boy for a SS. Just reading NFL write up. Doesn't make much sense in places, not a great tackler and gets bullied. Id say causing 8 forced fumbles shows he hits hard and often on the arms, elbow or the ball. Jonathan Dowling(SS) HT:6'3"WT:190LBS. POSITION:SS SCHOOL:Western Kentucky ARM LENGTH:33 1/8" HANDS:9 1/4" Overview Was rated as one of the top safeties in the country as a Florida prep. During his senior season, he had 14 interceptions (returning two for touchdowns) and three blocked punts. Also lettered in track. Began his college career at Florida, seeing action in two games as a true freshman in 2010. In November, though, he was kicked off the team in-season by coach Urban Meyer for reportedly not complying with staff and coaches as well as skipping class. Sat out in 2011, transferring to Western Kentucky. Returned to the field in 2012 and immediately made his presence felt, recording 68 tackles, seven pass breakups and six interceptions with 2.5 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles in 12 games (11 starts) at free safety. Scored on a 39-yard interception return against North Texas. Was suspended one game for a hit classified as "flagrant and dangerous," which had earned him an ejection. Started 12 games and had 67 tackles, seven pass breakups and three interceptions with one tackle for loss and an NCAA-leading six forced fumbles in 2013. Returned a blocked field goal 70 yards for a touchdown against Morgan State. COMBINE STATS40 YARD DASH:4.52 SECBENCH PRESS:8 REPSVERTICAL JUMP:33.5 INCHBROAD JUMP:118.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL:7.04 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE:4.24 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE:*11.56 SEC ANALYSISStrengths Has a rangy frame with room for added bulk. Excellent height and long arms to contend in the air and play the pocket. Good hands to snatch interceptions. Nice linear fluidity. Covers ground with long strides -- rangy off the hash to get over the top. Flashes striking ability when his shoulder blows connect. Playmaking ability -- 9 INTs and 8 FFs in last two seasons. Has special-teams experience covering kicks. Weaknesses High-cut and lanky for a safety -- durability could be an issue and he needs to add body armor. Gets bullied in the box. Average eyes and instincts. Takes some inaccurate angles. Shoddy tackler with poor fundamentals -- hits too high, ankle-bites low or launches himself and whiffs. Talks too much and shows off-putting body language. Questionable mental toughness. Thinks he’s better than he is. Character, maturity and coachability should be looked into. Draft Projection Rounds 4-5 Bottom Line Lean, long-levered, smooth-muscled, finesse free safety with speed and range, though he's more interested in hitting than securing tackles. He does not provide dependability desired on the back end. Haven't we had enough of shoulder tacklers yet?

05-06-2014, 07:07 PM	#937
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre DT Timmy Jernigan was also on list for "diluted sample"... what do always here the experts say before the combine and pro days. hydrate hydrate hydrate. so is a diluted sample really surprising? that is how i got away with all my testing in my youth. drink the night before, two gallons of water before bed, a pot of coffee and too top it off a gallon of water as i walked in the door. all to fill up one tiny cup in the end. granted that pee usually took a half hour to complete the task super hydrate yourself baby and get that pay check.

05-06-2014, 07:13 PM	#938
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile Saints \| Interested in Jonathan Dowling - NFL Hot off the Wire The New Orleans Saints view Western Kentucky SS Jonathan Dowling as the perfect complement to FS Kenny Vaccaro. Originally Posted by Seer1 Haven't we had enough of shoulder tacklers yet? Yes we have So stop screwing around. Bucannon is the man! glad to see i was not all that crazy about adding another SS. Since when is Kenny a FS? he is more of a rover safety back there than a FS or SS. that is what he does best. the saints may have come up with a new safety sub listing Queen of the beauty show at the combine. none prettier. Best of show hands down. NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Deone Bucannon Bucannon is 6-foot-1, 211 pounds. He finished his college career ranked among the Cougars’ all-time leaders in tackles (384) and interceptions (15). He never missed a game, which given his style of play, speaks volumes about his durability. Deone Bucannon FIND ME A BETTER PRODUCTION RECORD PLEASE He can not get the love. They are bigots !!!!!!! SS that can out play FS? Impossible. they are IDOTS Byrd + Deone has a solid chance of becoming the best ball hawking Satey combo in the NFL. Then to have Kenny running around doing his thing with Bush sprinkled in ... it is a dream come true. who says 4 safeties can not take the field at the same time? exile and Sarik like this.
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05-07-2014, 08:57 AM	#939
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Source: Arkansas kicker Zach Hocker worked out for Colts, Cardinals, Eagles, Saints \| National Football Post A second-team All-Southeastern Conference selection, the 6-foot, 191-pounder set school records for points and points by a kicker (354), field-goal percentage (77.2), point-after touchdowns (171), point-after attempts (173) and field goals converted (61).
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05-07-2014, 11:50 AM	#940
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