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Old 12-16-2013, 01:06 PM   #1
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Offensive Line (educational)

I see we do not have a lot of people that have played offensive line. Here is a little educational information that should help steer you on your mock-draft scenarios.

While Left Tackle is the most important offensive lineman for protecting the QB, there is more to the game than protecting the QB.. There is running, screens, etc... Teams starting investing high dollar in LTs when QBs because expensive.

You see, having a damn good Center takes a lot off of Drew Brees. How many delay of game penalties have we seen while Drew is making the lineman calls pre-snap?

Watch the whole video.

Payton Maiining's left hand was Jeff Saturday.

Read the Roles section and think about how many LBs shoot our inside gap and get to Drew. Never picked up.

While LT is the most important player for protecting the QBs blind side, he gets his blocking assignment from the Center... If the Center makes the wrong call, the LT is worthless.

Yes, Charles Brown is a liability but if i am drafting on draft day and not drafting BPA, I am grabbing the best Center on the board in the first round. He will make for a better Saints o-line and allow Drew to focus where he needs to.

Where do QBs go when the pocket is collapsing around them.. They step up... Cant do that when the Center is being pushed back in your face.
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I see we do not have a lot of people that have played offensive line. Here is a little educational information that should help steer you on your mock-draft scenarios.

While Left Tackle is the most important offensive lineman for protecting the QB, there is more to the game than protecting the QB.. There is running, screens, etc... Teams starting investing high dollar in LTs when QBs because expensive.

You see, having a damn good Center takes a lot off of Drew Brees. How many delay of game penalties have we seen while Drew is making the lineman calls pre-snap?

Watch the whole video.
Is left tackle still the most important O-line position? - NFL Videos


Payton Maiining's left hand was Jeff Saturday.

Read the Roles section and think about how many LBs shoot our inside gap and get to Drew. Never picked up.
Center (American and Canadian football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While LT is the most important player for protecting the QBs blind side, he gets his blocking assignment from the Center... If the Center makes the wrong call, the LT is worthless.

Yes, Charles Brown is a liability but if i am drafting on draft day and not drafting BPA, I am grabbing the best Center on the board in the first round. He will make for a better Saints o-line and allow Drew to focus where he needs to.

Where do QBs go when the pocket is collapsing around them.. They step up... Cant do that when the Center is being pushed back in your face.
Excellent point. I'm not too high on DLP, and never really was, but I also never considered this. Best post in a while.
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In my opinion, de la Puente is not necessarily the problem. Communication is the problem. I would argue that's as much because we are constantly shuffling 4-5 different people on and off the field on every play. For road games I would like to see the offense dumbed down a little bit and keep the same personnel groupings on the field for longer stretches.

If you're talking about offensive line strictly, I would argue that both Brown and Grubbs are bigger problems than the center. Brown has been an issue all year, and while Grubbs isn't bad, he's not that great either. Certainly not worth the $9 a year contract he's getting.
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We have gone from Bushrod-Nicks to Brown-Grubbs that is a massive downgrade whatever you think of Bushrod.Nicks was able to control the left side well and help Bushrod-DLP aswell as keep his own man occupied. There has been a drop in Evans game since the Grubbs-Nicks trade too imo. DLP+Strief are cheaper options and Evans-Grubbs are not playing up to there deals.
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In my opinion, de la Puente is not necessarily the problem. Communication is the problem. I would argue that's as much because we are constantly shuffling 4-5 different people on and off the field on every play. For road games I would like to see the offense dumbed down a little bit and keep the same personnel groupings on the field for longer stretches.

If you're talking about offensive line strictly, I would argue that both Brown and Grubbs are bigger problems than the center. Brown has been an issue all year, and while Grubbs isn't bad, he's not that great either. Certainly not worth the $9 a year contract he's getting.
We have shuffled people off and on the field since Sean Payton has been here.

Alternative view... DLP not handling the calls at the LoS is the biggest issue. If he were doing that, Drew wouldn't have had multiple delay of game penalties after frikken time outs.

Here is something most do not realize... You know where we have the most rushing success? Between Brown and Grubs, Most rushing TDs between Brown and Grubs, most yards after contact and broken tackles.. between Brown and Grubs. Best two Run Blocking linemen graded till now? Brown and Grubs...
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We have gone from Bushrod-Nicks to Brown-Grubbs that is a massive downgrade whatever you think of Bushrod.Nicks was able to control the left side well and help Bushrod-DLP aswell as keep his own man occupied. There has been a drop in Evans game since the Grubbs-Nicks trade too imo. DLP+Strief are cheaper options and Evans-Grubbs are not playing up to there deals.
Evans and Nicks/Bushrod are opposite sides of the field brother. They do not effect each other.

Know who else we lost around the Bushrod/Nicks time frame? Jonathan Goodwin... He tied both sides together, and is presently in SF greading out at a +5 for Run Blocking while DLP is grading out at -2.7.. He did preform fairly sh1tty his last year as a Saint though.

We lost Goodwin in 2011, Nicks in 2012, Bushrod in 2013.
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Great thread, AND,

Drew is a surgeon, but he has no survival instinct. If he did he would grow legs and get the hell out of that collapsing pocket.

We do defenses a favor by allowing them to concentrate on everyone BUT Drew gaining yards by running a football.

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We lost Goodwin in 2011, Nicks in 2012, Bushrod in 2013.
We tried to replace these guys, but hey that's football.
W'eve got a HOF caliber QB so we'll be fine.

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We have shuffled people off and on the field since Sean Payton has been here.
Not as much as in the last couple years. It's gotten too cute. I can understand 1-2 guys coming off regularly but it's too much. Getting 4-5 guys on the field, then setting everything up has to take a lot of time. Especially on the road, we are getting down to the wire on the play clock on a regular basis and you know that has a bad effect on timing. The offensive is unprepared at the snap, and I have a hard time believing that is all on the center. Some of it has to be due to the delay of getting all those personnel groupings in and then whatever checkdowns and audibles are going on.
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Your knowledge is beyond genius.

I am holding my breathe and stepping way from the gut punch from this weekend and The Oak, inspired me to relook at the path I started to descend because of a comment I heard on Sirus NFL about watching film.

The Oak, please accept my respect and acknowledgement of the strongest tree in the forest. My personal motto is "Age quod agis".

I have digested Pat Kerwin's book, Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look (2010). It is now my dog-eared football bible, pencil notes in the margin and water damage from relaxing in the bathtub.

I think this acquired knowledge resulted in a different NFL experience this weekend in St. Louis. I don't like how I felt walking out of Edward Jones after the game last night. I had the luxury to choose my sight lines versus being fed by Fox Sports.

I am considering NFL Rewind to dissect games.

How do you do it? Your contributions compliment / enhance what Kirwan gave me on paper.
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