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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So the key to winning games is winning the turnover battle, protecting Drew Brees and keeping Jimmy Graham out of the endzone! No, pretty much just the turnover battle....

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Old 12-17-2013, 12:07 PM   #11
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Re: Key to winning games? Jimmy Graham.

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So the key to winning games is winning the turnover battle, protecting Drew Brees and keeping Jimmy Graham out of the endzone!
No, pretty much just the turnover battle.
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No, pretty much just the turnover battle.
And Drew.
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And Drew.
And this red chair
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Re: Key to winning games? Jimmy Graham.

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Seattle didn't shut him down he had 1 TD
Games have two halves. Games are more than one drive, which is basically all we had that went right in Seattle was that one drive, thank God for Jimmy's TD, and it was ridiculously difficult for them just to get that. Obviously, if your definition of "shut down" is absolute zero catches for zero yards in a game, sure, technically no one in the league can shut Jimmy down...you win. I'm talking about whatever a team does, to make Jimmy Graham become a non-factor...I'm simply asking, looking back on the losses, JUST the losses, what does Jimmy produce in the second half, 3rd, 4th quarter, in those games where we are trailing or it's close this year, and we lose? Is he making any big clutch plays late in the day, in those games? Is he making any plays in the second half at all?

Yes, St. Louis kept Jimmy out of the end zone -- and Drew threw for 400 yards. But who won that game, I forget....

I guess I'm not really arguing the "Talib gave the blueprint" meme as much as I'm pointing out, in the games we struggle, Graham is quite often sorta disappearing, in the 2nd half of the games that we have lost this year. Whether Talib is out there or not. Maybe it's the other team making standard halftime adjustments, I don't know. And lately -- as in Seattle and the Rams -- he's there in the 1st half, doing stuff, and then very much NOT there in the 2nd.

Now that may not be a "blueprint" or "shutting down" to you, but it's definitely happening, and it's ended up with the end result the other teams want, of beating the Saints. To say that "nobody shuts down Graham" is squirrely and disingenuous. It's just PR at this point.
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I think of lot of #80's issues right now are #80's issues. He looks completely out of sorts when he's getting physically beaten at the LOS. He get's alligator arms, doesn't fight for the ball, and honestly just looks scared to take a big hit.

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Games have two halves. Games are more than one drive, which is basically all we had that went right in Seattle was that one drive, thank God for Jimmy's TD, and it was ridiculously difficult for them just to get that. Obviously, if your definition of "shut down" is absolute zero catches for zero yards in a game, sure, technically no one in the league can shut Jimmy down...you win. I'm talking about whatever a team does, to make Jimmy Graham become a non-factor...I'm simply asking, looking back on the losses, JUST the losses, what does Jimmy produce in the second half, 3rd, 4th quarter, in those games where we are trailing or it's close this year, and we lose? Is he making any big clutch plays late in the day, in those games? Is he making any plays in the second half at all?

Yes, St. Louis kept Jimmy out of the end zone -- and Drew threw for 400 yards. But who won that game, I forget....

I guess I'm not really arguing the "Talib gave the blueprint" meme as much as I'm pointing out, in the games we struggle, Graham is quite often sorta disappearing, in the 2nd half of the games that we have lost this year. Whether Talib is out there or not. Maybe it's the other team making standard halftime adjustments, I don't know. And lately -- as in Seattle and the Rams -- he's there in the 1st half, doing stuff, and then very much NOT there in the 2nd.

Now that may not be a "blueprint" or "shutting down" to you, but it's definitely happening, and it's ended up with the end result the other teams want, of beating the Saints. To say that "nobody shuts down Graham" is squirrely and disingenuous. It's just PR at this point.
My point is the OP saying that JG is the key and someone saying that Talib laid a groundwork that any defensive back can use to shut down Jimmy Graham...

We have won a few games where Jimmy didn't do much and lost some games where he scored. There has been nothing consistent in our wins and losses to back up either claim. We can win with out him and we can lose with him.

What Jimmy does is not always Jimmy... Drew was pretty much part of the loss in Seattle and to St Louis.... I would argue more so than Jimmy.

When Sproles has 12 targets and catches 6 of them against the Patriots, that is as huge as anything graham does or doesn't do.

Graham had a monster game against the Jets... How did that work out for us?


There is no one player to key off of in regards to losing or winning. Not even INTs, we have beat teams with Drew throwing 2 and lost games with Drew throwing 2...

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Re: Key to winning games? Jimmy Graham.

IMO patience is the the key to winning...if Drew can't stretch the field and find Graham open he needs to simply check it down to the RB or just get it out of bounds so we can avoid needless turnovers and keep our offence on the field.
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