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Old 12-18-2013, 06:33 AM   #91
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Wow, I'm showing my age but I can't resist...



Homie don't play!
New avatar?
Homey D in the hizzar!



I still laugh when I see Anton Jackson. This ole box
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:54 AM   #92
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So glad Hartley is gone yes his leg brought us to to the Super Bowl in 09 but I believe it's time !
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That is the most patience I have ever seen Sean Payton have with a kicker. Use to be kicker miss a few kicks he was outta of the door.
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i need some tulane homers to give me the scoop on the kid
He is a Brazilian national that prepped as an exchange student at St Joseph Academy in St Augustine, FL where he played both WR and K...

Gained attention since being named to Conference USA Freshman team...

Won the Lou Groza award (National Kicker of the Year) as a junior; where he went 21-21 with a long of 57 yards...

Sadly, lost his father at the beginning of the season in a plane crash...

Obviously has made some huge kicks for the Green Wave, keeping them in games until the offense could get in gear; they've won some games that, in years past would have lost because he kept 'em close...

Concerns are that he's been kicking in the comfortable confines of the Superdome; he's missed a few kicks this season...

Strong leg, just needs to hone his craft/accuracy...

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Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season.

If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB.

He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points.

Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs)

2012:
Green bay 48 yarder
Kansas City 38 yarder

2011:
Missed the entire season

2010:
Atlanta - 29 yarder

2009
Tampa Bay 37 yarder

Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No
With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17

Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC.
In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won.

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Old 12-18-2013, 08:48 AM   #96
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Well, I'm thankful for what he did for the team and the fans. However, I feel it was time for a change.

Best of luck to him.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:23 AM   #97
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season.

If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB.

He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points.

Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs)

2012:
Green bay 48 yarder
Kansas City 38 yarder

2011:
Missed the entire season

2010:
Atlanta - 29 yarder

2009
Tampa Bay 37 yarder

Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No
With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17

Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC.
In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won.
First off, if Hartley missed those 3 FGs, the Colts get the ball in good field position and they would probably score points on all three possessions.

If making multiple 40+ yd FGs isn't that impressive, then why is it a Super Bowl record? And they were also made outside, not exactly an indoor kickers comfort zone.
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BTW, I think we just took a 1.3 million cap hit for 2014.
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Hartley was instrumental in the Superbowl run. What a great memory watching his kick sail through the uprights against Minn to send them to the Superbowl. Three big FG's in the superbowl.
Thanks for the THOSE memories Hartley. Since then, (or the missed FG against Atlanta for me), it's been a downhill slide and Payton gave him every opportunity and then some.
Good Luck Hartley in your next venture.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:39 AM   #100
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Damn it took two games left in the season to cut him why wasn't Brown and Strief sorry asses wasn't cut either.
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