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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno Because Brown makes a good back-up and Strief is our best O-lineman this year ? I think Strief makes a better back up too, but that's just me. I thought it was dumb to put him ...

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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
Because Brown makes a good back-up and Strief is our best O-lineman this year?
I think Strief makes a better back up too, but that's just me. I thought it was dumb to put him at LT last game. He's never looked like a great pass blocker, especially when you've got an athletic freak lIke Quinn.

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kickers don't have much room for error in the NFL

nothing new...

thanks for the kicks you did make, which were the vast majority.
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
{Screeching Brakes}

Sean needs an old friend on the staff for his personal well-being and can always lend his leadership to right the ship when it comes to the kicking game...

Note: As a member of the Coach Parcells coaching tree, Sean Payton will need to follow Parcells convention and call it kicking and not special teams as they're is nothing special about those guys...
Yup. I was just thinking this same thing last night after reading the pages and pages of howling for McMahon's head over on SR.

But there is some value in having someone around you, who knew you way back "before you were famous". ... I am sure that McMahon can probably give Payton unvarnished advice and private feedback on lots of things, that other coaches maybe wouldn't or couldn't say.

Different arena, but John Lennon of the Beatles had a guy named Pete Shotton who was his school buddy, who remained on the Beatles "payroll" all the way until the late '70s. He was not the greatest roadie or guitar tuner or coffee fetcher ever, but he could give advice and tell Lennon or Paul McCartney when he was making a big mistake or was full of s---t, or if that new song they were writing sucked. And that's important in a job like Payton's.

Lastly, jeanpierre probably remembers this....in '09 just before the Super Bowl run, our special teams looked really dismal for a stretch. There was the missed field goal in OT in the Bucs game, and some other stuff...I think the Bucs returned a punt, penalties, they looked bad in the Cowboys game, I don't remember what.

And Sean Payton said on that Monday or Tuesday, that he was going to PERSONALLY intervene and fix the special teams. (I remember this quote vividly because I was home from work sick that week, and watched the presser on a laptop with headphones. He said he would PERSONALLY look into it.)

So you know Payton went into the film room with McMahon and burned the midnight oil, he drew some stuff up with the X's and O's, went over it all with him, gave it his personal focused attention...the end result was Reggie went crazy the next week on punt returns in the Cardinals game, Pierre Thomas returned the opening kickoff in overtime against Minnesota to set up the great field position for the field goal drive, Hartley was money all through the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl, then you had Ambush.....

...so I am sure that once Payton gives McMahon some help and focus, it will light a fire there. The part of the season where Payton gets mad at McMahon is always the best part.

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@MikeTriplett: Great line from new #Saints kicker Shayne Graham: "Luckily there's no playbook to learn."
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro View Post
Yup. I was just thinking this same thing last night after reading the pages and pages of howling for McMahon's head over on SR.

But there is some value in having someone around you, who knew you way back "before you were famous". ... I am sure that McMahon can probably give Payton unvarnished advice and private feedback on lots of things, that other coaches maybe wouldn't or couldn't say.

Different arena, but John Lennon of the Beatles had a guy named Pete Shotton who was his school buddy, who remained on the Beatles "payroll" all the way until the late '70s. He was not the greatest roadie or guitar tuner or coffee fetcher ever, but he could give advice and tell Lennon or Paul McCartney when he was making a big mistake or was full of s---t, or if that new song they were writing sucked. And that's important in a job like Payton's.

Lastly, jeanpierre probably remembers this....in '09 just before the Super Bowl run, our special teams looked really dismal for a stretch. There was the missed field goal in OT in the Bucs game, and some other stuff...I think the Bucs returned a punt, penalties, they looked bad in the Cowboys game, I don't remember what.

And Sean Payton said on that Monday or Tuesday, that he was going to PERSONALLY intervene and fix the special teams. (I remember this quote vividly because I was home from work sick that week, and watched the presser on a laptop with headphones. He said he would PERSONALLY look into it.)

So you know Payton went into the film room with McMahon and burned the midnight oil, he drew some stuff up with the X's and O's, went over it all with him, gave it his personal focused attention...the end result was Reggie went crazy the next week on punt returns in the Cardinals game, Pierre Thomas returned the opening kickoff in overtime against Minnesota to set up the great field position for the field goal drive, Hartley was money all through the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl, then you had Ambush.....

...so I am sure that once Payton gives McMahon some help and focus, it will light a fire there. The part of the season where Payton gets mad at McMahon is always the best part.
Since SP isn't using PT much in the running game, think he will use him in the playoffs to run back KOs?
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro View Post
Yup. I was just thinking this same thing last night after reading the pages and pages of howling for McMahon's head over on SR.

But there is some value in having someone around you, who knew you way back "before you were famous". ... I am sure that McMahon can probably give Payton unvarnished advice and private feedback on lots of things, that other coaches maybe wouldn't or couldn't say.

Different arena, but John Lennon of the Beatles had a guy named Pete Shotton who was his school buddy, who remained on the Beatles "payroll" all the way until the late '70s. He was not the greatest roadie or guitar tuner or coffee fetcher ever, but he could give advice and tell Lennon or Paul McCartney when he was making a big mistake or was full of s---t, or if that new song they were writing sucked. And that's important in a job like Payton's.

Lastly, jeanpierre probably remembers this....in '09 just before the Super Bowl run, our special teams looked really dismal for a stretch. There was the missed field goal in OT in the Bucs game, and some other stuff...I think the Bucs returned a punt, penalties, they looked bad in the Cowboys game, I don't remember what.

And Sean Payton said on that Monday or Tuesday, that he was going to PERSONALLY intervene and fix the special teams. (I remember this quote vividly because I was home from work sick that week, and watched the presser on a laptop with headphones. He said he would PERSONALLY look into it.)

So you know Payton went into the film room with McMahon and burned the midnight oil, he drew some stuff up with the X's and O's, went over it all with him, gave it his personal focused attention...the end result was Reggie went crazy the next week on punt returns in the Cardinals game, Pierre Thomas returned the opening kickoff in overtime against Minnesota to set up the great field position for the field goal drive, Hartley was money all through the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl, then you had Ambush.....

...so I am sure that once Payton gives McMahon some help and focus, it will light a fire there. The part of the season where Payton gets mad at McMahon is always the best part.
We all have someone we bounce things off of, a person we accept tough love from. That doesn't mean we employ them and make them a part of a team that requires a skill set other than personal confidant. I have a close personal friend I go to for advice also, but we do not work together and that is why I go to him, he is neutral. We have worked together in the past and I went elsewhere because there was a possibility that his opinion could have not been completely impartial.

The purist advice is always given from someone with no skin in the game.

If Sean Payton is keeping McMahon around because he needs a buddy then his best interest is not the team.

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