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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; This offense is a MESS. That was painful. I'm no football genius and called about half of our plays out before the snap. We played to win on defense and played to lose on offense. But we've found a kicker ...

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Old 12-22-2013, 06:32 PM   #21
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This offense is a MESS.
That was painful. I'm no football genius and called about half of our plays out before the snap.

We played to win on defense and played to lose on offense.

But we've found a kicker for now.

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Old 12-22-2013, 06:34 PM   #22
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I do not think you can lay the blame on Payton, you have to remember what it was like before he came to the Saints! We were the laughing stock of the NFC . I put most of the blame on an offensive line that can not pass block , can not run block and seems to cause penalties at the worst time . Going to have to do some real soul searching on that offensive line during the off season and come back next year with a more balanced attack and take some of the pressure off of Drew! Just my opinion!
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:44 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by ssvnewman View Post
I do not think you can lay the blame on Payton, you have to remember what it was like before he came to the Saints! We were the laughing stock of the NFC . I put most of the blame on an offensive line that can not pass block , can not run block and seems to cause penalties at the worst time . Going to have to do some real soul searching on that offensive line during the off season and come back next year with a more balanced attack and take some of the pressure off of Drew! Just my opinion!
Unfortunately, non of that is going to change until next season so it's on the head coach and play caller (one in the same) to put his players in the best position to succeed. He's not doing that.
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:53 PM   #24
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I really dont think payton is the problem. The screen is designed to tire out the DL and relieve pressure. Panthers LB's are to quick. The screens were not executed well or blocked well. Same with the run plays.
Really didnt matter what payton called, the offense could not do it anyway.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:09 PM   #25
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This is the consequence of expectations. We expect certain things because we have won so many games since 2006. But when you think about it, what is really so glaringly different. We handled our toughest division foe(this year it's Carolina) at home and lost on the last drive at their house. And we destroyed them at home. Doesn't this usually happen with Atlanta. Yeah we dropped a couple of clunkers in St. Louis and New York, but we ALWAYS have trouble in St.Louis and just had a bad game in New York. We played New England tight and Seattle well Seattle no one plays well. That was Seattle's superbowl. Primetime game at home they whipped us just like we always do to everyone. We have some major work to do.
Now with that being said, there are some major concerns. The playcalling is predictable. The O line is horrible, and I mean horrible. It is the worse line in years, and if we didn't have Brees we would be a .500 team. The Defense is their job, yes they broke at the end but we should have never been in that position. If we would have had any offense in the 3rd quarter we would have won. Carolina gave us that game on a silver platter. Our offense did not get going until we were forced to run the ball more with the weather. Losing Vaccarro will hurt bad. I think we should turn running game over to Ingram and Robinson and commit to smash running. They have figured the screen and misdirection plays out and we had more luck running right up the gut. And it wouldn't surprise at all if Atlanta would beat Carolina. Without Steve Smith Cam looked a little lost and it wouldn't surprise me if Atlanta has anything left that they would win. I mean we lost to the Rams. You just never know, but definitely SP needs to stop being stubborn, lose the pride and admit that defenses have figured out our offense. It happens. Change it up. We aren't out yet.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:12 PM   #26
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In my opinion the Offensive line has become our Achilles Heel. SP is calling screens to break the rush, Drew has been hammered this year like mad. Most teams are not giving us the time to burn them long. Can probably guess what is on the shopping list this year.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:22 PM   #27
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We've got an awesome qb, a gazillion rb's, and nobody to block for them. Malcom should've made the play on the last TD, the right play call was there.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
Paytons play call

Brees sacked for -7 yards

Screen to PT for -2 yards

Screen to sproles for 3 yards

Nice and original, we are not predictable at all are we coach

I think we should stop subbing so many people out, i can call the play thats coming based on who comes in at WR and RB
I agree dizzle88... the drive in the 3rd qt when we were actually throwing the ball up field to our wide outs was when we move the ball instead of the dump off screens or the sideway throws for a screen... U have to be basic sometimes and stop out thinking yourself. .. and its not we're turning on coach we just know he can coach better... Payton is really stubborn at times
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:30 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by pherein View Post
I really dont think payton is the problem. The screen is designed to tire out the DL and relieve pressure. Panthers LB's are to quick. The screens were not executed well or blocked well. Same with the run plays.
Really didnt matter what payton called, the offense could not do it anyway.
Then why keep calling them?

Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled.
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Old 12-22-2013, 07:32 PM   #30
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Then why keep calling them?

Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled.

To be fair though he left with a injury for a little bit. By the time he got back in the game we were already playing not to lose so all of the plays called for him at that point were predictable.
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