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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Can someone explain why Payton is quick to abandon running the ball when it is successful? Or why he keeps calling screen plays when they aren't working, for whatever reason? Or why he will call for a reverse, double-reverse, etc ...

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Old 12-27-2013, 11:31 PM   #31
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Re: Sean Paytonís ego has cost Saints

Can someone explain why Payton is quick to abandon running the ball when it is successful?

Or why he keeps calling screen plays when they aren't working, for whatever reason?

Or why he will call for a reverse, double-reverse, etc on a short yardage play?

Or why he calls a pass on 1st down so often, it is as predictable as which direction the sun rises?

As smart as Payton is, sometimes he over-thinks plays. If he doesn't think PT, Ingram, Sproles, Robinson, etc, can't get a yard or two, then maybe he needs to cut or bench that player to send a message.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:35 PM   #32
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Blame Payton for NOT feeding Ingram the ball. Blame Payton FOR feeding Ingram the ball three straight times.
BLAME Payton for the fake FG gamble. PRAISE payton for the on-side gamble.
Damn I'm dizzy.

His play calling was a direct result in those two games of the all out assault on his QB. I still have the faith in him (even with his aggressive trends).
He has always been aggressive and been a gambler. This mentality got us a Lombardi. Its high risk high reward and just the way he is. Its easy to blame him when it doesn't pay off but I think the payoffs have outweighed the negatives.
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:26 AM   #33
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I love my coach.
Payton's so good, he plans every failure. He is simply just setting teams up…
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Old 12-28-2013, 03:10 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat View Post
Sheesh! Damned if he does. Damned if he does not.
Ego is bad when we lose. Ego is good when we win.
It is what it is.

Either we think he is a decent a coach overall, or we don't. Make up your minds and then justify it. But whatever there is no perfect man out there.

No one is saying he shouldn't coach. Payton brought the playcalling coach trend to the NFL. But Payton also could be considered the Pat Riley/Doc Rivers of the team. He is the emotional support the team needs.
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Old 12-28-2013, 03:40 AM   #35
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All of his struggles come from lack of confidence in the running game.

He's an excellent pass play caller , but only when the threat of a run exists. He doesn't have enough discipline to run the ball.
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:19 AM   #36
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What would really suck would be if the Saints somehow blew it this Sunday and missed the playoffs and Dallas loses tomorrow night.

The stage would be set.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:07 AM   #37
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I love Payton. His record speaks for itself, especially versus former Saints coaches. From a fans perspective, I just wish he would run the ball more and do less with the sub packages. The one thing that concerns me is, while the comparison is not close in regards to record, brains and ability as a Head Coach, after Haslett had success, he thought EVERY decision he made from that point on was golden. Even when it CLEARLY wasn't. Payton just seems to share that trait. Call it ego, whatever. You have to learn from your mistakes or you're doomed to repeat them. Plus, I do believe most coaches could win with Brees at QB. Just sayin.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:55 AM   #38
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Good decisions, or bad decision you can't dispute facts.... The fact of the matter is that Payton is worth 3 more wins a season than the average coach.... And now whether we make it or not that has been proven. Just me, im lamenting some of the calls. But Im not the coach, or the staff.... he has earned my trust... #getonboard
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Re: Sean Paytonís ego has cost Saints

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All of his struggles come from lack of confidence in the running game.

He's an excellent pass play caller , but only when the threat of a run exists. He doesn't have enough discipline to run the ball.
We have let the O line deteriorate steadily since Goodwin left and others since. We need a center who doesn't get knocked down on a bull rush. A run blocking center. dlp has done a good job but he's not as good as when he first came to town.imho
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:02 AM   #40
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Plus, I do believe most coaches could win with Brees at QB. Just sayin.
I disagree with that assumption. Norv Turner obviously disagreed too.
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