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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; After awhile faith isn\'t given, it is earned. Owners of a 3-4 record have not earned the double-edged sword of faith, if I actually allow myself to believe that they are going to accomplish things they consistently fail to provide, ...

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Old 11-02-2004, 09:05 AM   #11
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After awhile faith isn\'t given, it is earned. Owners of a 3-4 record have not earned the double-edged sword of faith, if I actually allow myself to believe that they are going to accomplish things they consistently fail to provide, then it\'s me who gets bitter with my team. Why don\'t they get bitter with themselves and allow me to relax for a change!!!
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Old 11-02-2004, 01:36 PM   #12
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You guys have no faith.....
Guilty as charged. I had faith in the off season. I had faith in the preseason. It was shaky after recovering to a 2-1 start after taxing wins over frankly what was lesser opponents.

Then the Cards and the Bucs handed the Saints their collective butts.

Then Minnesota. Do I really need to say more?

Faith lost.

it\'s very disconcerting....
A run defense that can\'t stop the Little Sisters\' of the Poor is disconcerting. An offense mired in stupid penalties, dropped passes, poor blocking, and preditable playcalling is disconcerting. A linebacker crew that can\'t scratch their way out of a wet paper bag is disconcerting.

Look if all it took was the fans\' hope and faith to carry a team to success we would have won it all a long time ago. But face reality: the Saints are a poorly coached team with inconsistent offense and a pitiful defense that\'s at the absolute bottom of the NFL in both points and yards allowed.

And we haven\'t played any real good teams yet. Especially good teams with exceptional running offensive attacks.

It\'s not about faith. It\'s about stopping the run.

And nothing I have seen so far gives me any faith that the Saints can turn that around.

SFIAH

The Saints have been to playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and a own a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
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Old 11-02-2004, 01:51 PM   #13
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Agreed and agreed SFIAH. I had all the hope in the world until coming into the season, although I was never sold on the D. I even wrote an article about it for another website. Very confident about the O, very skeptical about the D. Well the D proved me right, and the O proved me wrong. Somehow faith gets lost in struggling to beat a winless team(SF) and getting our lunches handed to us by two others consecutively. We won\'t even get into Minnesota. Did anyone see the way San Diego man-handled Oakland? Didn\'t we barely beat Oakland the week before?

Faith is a luxury afforded those with a new team, a new coach, a new attitude, or just something different. Skepticism is the bi-product of those who have watched this movie before and are no longer surprised by the ending.
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Old 11-02-2004, 03:04 PM   #14
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I have faith - faith that the Saints can snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory better than any team in the NFL. Faith that our defense can allow an opposing RB to set an NFL record. Faith that the Texans can add themselves to the list of expansion teams to go to a championship game before the Saints. Most importantly, I have faith that it is better to suffer one bad season to fix things long term, than to hope for and root for a quick fix that won\'t really fix anything.
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Old 11-02-2004, 04:08 PM   #15
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If some guy comes over to your house, 16 times a year, every year except for maybe 3-4 years, over the course of a 30 year span, just to whip your ass, at what point, exactly, should I be optimistic that his routine will change?
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Old 11-02-2004, 05:21 PM   #16
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I have faith... Faith that the Texans can add themselves to the list of expansion teams to go to a championship game before the Saints.
One point on the Texans as to why they are successful: A well coached defense with veteran players and linebackers who know what their job is. Dom Capers has already pulled off getting into a championship game with an expansion team. Because his diciplined team has a defensive focus.

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Old 11-02-2004, 05:38 PM   #17
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If some guy comes over to your house, 16 times a year, every year except for maybe 3-4 years, over the course of a 30 year span, just to whip your ass, at what point, exactly, should I be optimistic that his routine will change?
Awww - BnB, if it upsets you that much I\'ll stop coming. LOL.

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Old 11-02-2004, 05:46 PM   #18
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OHHHHH But wait. They did say there is another way to get rid of Jim. And that is to make him resign a\'la Jim Mora. What the owner did in Indy is they fired ALL of Mora\'s assistants and he then became so upset he resigned.
Actually, they gave Jim an ultimatum. He had the option to save his job by firing his staff. Jim refused. From there, I can\'t remember if he walked or if he was fired, but he had an escape route, and he wouldn\'t do it.

Awww - BnB, if it upsets you that much I\'ll stop coming. LOL.
What upsets me is what you do to my dog when I\'m not looking, you dirty whore. :P

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Old 11-02-2004, 11:33 PM   #19
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I just don\'t understand the *****ing and moaning...you knew what you had......WE ARE SAINTS FANS!!!!!!!!...........We have never won anything.....(a post season victory)...wow.......if you all are so un happy then be an Eagles or Pats fan...but I don\'t know why you constantly complain about our boys but CONSISTANLY put up NEW posts????....STOP *****IN\'...Rally behind our team and support our effort to win games.(we might actualy win some).....Saints fan for life..(I\'ll be at the San Diego game taillgaitin\' if anyone is going)......I almost got jumped twice at the Raider game but still maintained.(shakin my beads and yellin).....GAEUX SAINTS!!!!

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Old 11-03-2004, 06:46 AM   #20
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Not sure who you\'re referring to, but I\'ll give this a whirl.
Ok, Chachi, you can deal with all the *****ing and complaining (for some reason you can\'t understand) that I feel like issuing. Otherwise, if every fan that felt the same way I do, becomes an Eagles fan or a Pats fan, then there would be no Saints in New Orleans. Does 30 years of substandard football mean nothing to you? As a Saints fan, I will continue to buy the merchandise, and pay to watch the games. I will continue to discuss Saints football with other fans. However, if you take away my ability (and others) to ***** and moan about bad football, then you are slowing progress and change, and they will continue to serve us a **** sandwich we affectionately refer to as Saints football. You want me to cheer? Give me something to cheer about. The Oakland game was a great start. Let\'s see more of it, and I\'ll keep my *****ing to a minimum.
Now, I will agree with you on one thing, if you\'re going to ***** about something, do it, and then move on. Don\'t nag about the same subject over and over,
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