This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere

WHODATINCA · 01-01-2014, 02:19 AM

I definitely don't know as much as you guys do about the play of individuals in this D. I will say this, I'm surprised there is this much discussion of which players are 'bad' ( or not worth it ) on the 5th ranked D in the league. Doesn't the play of a unit have to do with how the individuals mesh together too? I know it does on the O-Line.

jeanpierre · 01-01-2014, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper...

Danno · 01-01-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper...

That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball.

Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact.

Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again?

Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt.

blackangold · 01-01-2014, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball.

Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact.

Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again?

Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt.

Week 1

Harper had 88% of the snaps
Vaccaro had 100%

Week 2

Harper had 69%
Vaccaro had 100%

For the 2013 season:

Harper had 34%
Vaccaro had 87%

Facts....hmmm

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Danno · 01-01-2014, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Week 1

Harper had 88% of the snaps
Vaccaro had 100%

Week 2

Harper had 69%
Vaccaro had 100%

For the 2013 season:

Harper had 34%
Vaccaro had 87%

Facts....hmmm

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

Not sure what you're getting at. I simply corrected that statement that Harper wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season at SS. Harper did start at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB.
Facts.

|Mitch| · 01-01-2014, 01:37 PM

I'm just glad none of y'all have a say on actual roster moves

Danno · 01-01-2014, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'm just glad none of y'all have a say on actual roster moves

I'm glad no one here has a say about anything that happens on the field.

But its not that difficult to determine who was the starting SS for games 1 and 2. NFL.com Gamebooks are awesome.

WhoDatQB · 01-02-2014, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

I definitely don't know as much as you guys do about the play of individuals in this D. I will say this, I'm surprised there is this much discussion of which players are 'bad' ( or not worth it ) on the 5th ranked D in the league. Doesn't the play of a unit have to do with how the individuals mesh together too? I know it does on the O-Line.

This is probably the best post in this entire thread. If Ryan wants them and thinks they make the defense better as a unit, I could give two craps what I think about them individually.

The fact of the matter is that we can only afford so many great or even good players on a team. The rest of the team is made up of middle of the road guys that have a particular skill set that fits in well with the rest of the side of the ball they are on.

I know we all love Colston, but do any of you honestly think he would be as good on another team? Great hands and good route runner, but slow and because of the positions Sean puts him in he does very well, not all coaches can do this, we just now have a coach in Ryan who is able to do it on the defensive side of the ball as well as Sean on the offensive.

73Saint · 01-02-2014, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I know... I'm just venting frustration LOL. I bought his damn jersey so I've been dying for him to live up to expectations.

Don't feel bad, i have two of them lol!!!

01-01-2014, 02:19 AM	#61
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere I definitely don't know as much as you guys do about the play of individuals in this D. I will say this, I'm surprised there is this much discussion of which players are 'bad' ( or not worth it ) on the 5th ranked D in the league. Doesn't the play of a unit have to do with how the individuals mesh together too? I know it does on the O-Line. Danno and WhoDatQB like this.

01-01-2014, 07:30 AM	#62
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games. http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS. Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper... blackangold likes this.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by jeanpierre Saints may have turned in those lineups to smooth Harper's ego, but Vaccaro played most, if not all, the snaps over Harper... That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball. Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact. Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again? Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt. \|Mitch\| likes this.

01-01-2014, 01:22 PM	#64
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by Danno That was the starting line-up when the ball was snapped. Its not like baseball. Harper started at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Fact. Are you just trying to make up stuff about Harper, again? Maybe they also made Vaccaro put on a 41 jersey for a few snaps so Harper wouldn't get his feelings hurt. Week 1 Harper had 88% of the snaps Vaccaro had 100% Week 2 Harper had 69% Vaccaro had 100% For the 2013 season: Harper had 34% Vaccaro had 87% Facts....hmmm FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS

01-01-2014, 01:35 PM	#65
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by blackangold Week 1 Harper had 88% of the snaps Vaccaro had 100% Week 2 Harper had 69% Vaccaro had 100% For the 2013 season: Harper had 34% Vaccaro had 87% Facts....hmmm FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| 2013 NFL SNAP COUNTS Not sure what you're getting at. I simply corrected that statement that Harper wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season at SS. Harper did start at SS, and Vaccaro started at NB. Facts.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'm just glad none of y'all have a say on actual roster moves I'm glad no one here has a say about anything that happens on the field. But its not that difficult to determine who was the starting SS for games 1 and 2. NFL.com Gamebooks are awesome.

01-02-2014, 08:38 AM	#68
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by WHODATINCA I definitely don't know as much as you guys do about the play of individuals in this D. I will say this, I'm surprised there is this much discussion of which players are 'bad' ( or not worth it ) on the 5th ranked D in the league. Doesn't the play of a unit have to do with how the individuals mesh together too? I know it does on the O-Line. This is probably the best post in this entire thread. If Ryan wants them and thinks they make the defense better as a unit, I could give two craps what I think about them individually. The fact of the matter is that we can only afford so many great or even good players on a team. The rest of the team is made up of middle of the road guys that have a particular skill set that fits in well with the rest of the side of the ball they are on. I know we all love Colston, but do any of you honestly think he would be as good on another team? Great hands and good route runner, but slow and because of the positions Sean puts him in he does very well, not all coaches can do this, we just now have a coach in Ryan who is able to do it on the defensive side of the ball as well as Sean on the offensive.

01-02-2014, 09:14 AM	#69
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: This is why Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I know... I'm just venting frustration LOL. I bought his damn jersey so I've been dying for him to live up to expectations. Don't feel bad, i have two of them lol!!!

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