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halloween 65 01-10-2014 04:42 PM

Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
I've had no luck with this match-up so far, any thoughts?

dizzle88 01-10-2014 04:46 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
Its probably going to be jenkins, sweeting or rafael bush

Sucks that vaccaro isnt here for this game, he'd blanket harvin

Danno 01-10-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 571337)
Its probably going to be jenkins, sweeting or rafael bush

Sucks that Vaccaro isnt here for this game, he'd blanket harvin

You think so? Vaccaro's a pretty good safety, but you can't expect a 4.55 safety to cover a 4.3 WR man to man do you?

If we had Vaccaro man to man on Harvin all game we'd get beat by 4 scores.

dizzle88 01-10-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571339)
You think so? Vaccaro's a pretty good safety, but you can't expect a 4.55 safety to cover a 4.3 WR man to man do you?

If we had Vaccaro man to man on Harvin all game we'd get beat by 4 scores.

Remember that Vaccaro locked down tavon austin in college, Austin is arguably faster than harvin

Schmohams 01-10-2014 04:53 PM

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He's rusty, not the same Harvin, have Bush slam him like he did Amendola and he won't be a problem.

Danno 01-10-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 571342)
Remember that Vaccaro locked down tavon austin in college, Austin is arguably faster than harvin

Good point, I forgot that, but also remember that Vaccaro graded negative in pass coverage for the majority of his games as a pro.

I think Ryan will have multiple answers for Harvin. We'll change up on him a lot I'd imagine.

AsylumGuido 01-10-2014 04:57 PM

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I don't know why everyone is so concerned about Harvin. He has only touched the ball twice since November 4, 2012. One solid hit and he could be on the shelf for another 15 months.

Papa Voodoo 01-10-2014 05:03 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
Our DBs should pass interfere with their WRs the same as they do to us.

ChrisXVI 01-10-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571339)
You think so? Vaccaro's a pretty good safety, but you can't expect a 4.55 safety to cover a 4.3 WR man to man do you?



If we had Vaccaro man to man on Harvin all game we'd get beat by 4 scores.


So no memory of Vaccaro knocking the similarly one-dimensional Ginn on his ass at the line from the Panthers game? Vaccaro's press man coverage would shatter P***y Harvin's fragile body.

Seahawks12th 01-10-2014 05:56 PM

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Harvin is made of glass and will probably sprain his toenail in warmups and be out of the game and playoffs, why even waste your time worrying about him? :)

Adrian Peterson must have been on crack when he said "Percy Harvin is the greatest player I have ever seen". Silly Adrian, your opinion is moot because you know nothing about talented players..

blackangold 01-10-2014 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571345)
Good point, I forgot that, but also remember that Vaccaro graded negative in pass coverage for the majority of his games as a pro.

I think Ryan will have multiple answers for Harvin. We'll change up on him a lot I'd imagine.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...season-report/


"Analysis: Actually finished the year with our third highest grade of any safety for his work against the run, while also earning a positive for his work in coverage. Just let down by his inability to turn a lot of blitzes into pressure, and a worryingly high (five) penalty count. Added an explosive element to the Saints secondary."

Vaccaro is out of the picture though...

Lets put Harper on him and see how that turns out ...

SaintLeonard 01-10-2014 06:02 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571357)
Harvin is made of glass and will probably sprain his toenail in warmups and be out of the game and playoffs, why even waste your time worrying about him? :)

Adrian Peterson must have been on crack when he said "Percy Harvin is the greatest player I have ever seen". Silly Adrian, your opinion is moot because you know nothing about talented players..

Lol. Is Harvin the best football player YOU have ever seen?

I don't care what AP thinks, that's a laughable comment.

Danno 01-10-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 571349)
So no memory of Vaccaro knocking the similarly one-dimensional Ginn on his ass at the line from the Panthers game? Vaccaro's press man coverage would shatter P***y Harvin's fragile body.

Probably more to coverage than blasting a receiver on a rub route.

Danno 01-10-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 571358)
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...season-report/


"Analysis: Actually finished the year with our third highest grade of any safety for his work against the run, while also earning a positive for his work in coverage. Just let down by his inability to turn a lot of blitzes into pressure, and a worryingly high (five) penalty count. Added an explosive element to the Saints secondary."

Vaccaro is out of the picture though...

Lets put Harper on him and see how that turns out ...

Why would you want to do that? That's not very smart.

Seahawks12th 01-10-2014 06:14 PM

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Let me give a little insight on Percy Harvin. He tore his Labrum which was never physically attached properly (a birth defect). He has never played with the ball and socket in perfect harmony. This has always put a tremendous amount of strain on tissue and finally, it tore. This condition has also limited many muscles that have never been used. When they fixed the Labrum, the tissue not only had to heal, but the full range ball and socked triggered muscle use that had normally stayed dormant and that is why his hip was swelling even though there was nothing structurally wrong. The Hawks wanted to give his body time to adjust to his new found muscle tissue which had again, stayed dormant his entire life and now he has even more power. He is not only as fast as he ever was, but now he is fully healed and is fully prepared for physical contact. All week players (Especially from our secondary) have been tweeting how he is "unbelievable" and at times leaving them in the dust. For Richard Sherman to say that if he beats him with one step, it is over is astonishing. Sherman (and his uber competitiveness) never gives props to individual receivers. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand all you want about Harvin, you won't be laughing Saturday!!

blackangold 01-10-2014 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571363)
Why would you want to do that? That's not very smart.

So we can re-live 2010 with GW lol...

RR will scheme correctly. I am not too concerned about our D. If the O comes to play we win easily.

SaintLeonard 01-10-2014 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571364)
Let me give a little insight on Percy Harvin. He tore his Labrum which was never physically attached properly (a birth defect). He has never played with the ball and socket in perfect harmony. This has always put a tremendous amount of strain on tissue and finally, it tore. This condition has also limited many muscles that have never been used. When they fixed the Labrum, the tissue not only had to heal, but the full range ball and socked triggered muscle use that had normally stayed dormant and that is why his hip was swelling even though there was nothing structurally wrong. The Hawks wanted to give his body time to adjust to his new found muscle tissue which had again, stayed dormant his entire life and now he has even more power. He is not only as fast as he ever was, but now he is fully healed and is fully prepared for physical contact. All week players (Especially from our secondary) have been tweeting how he is "unbelievable" and at times leaving them in the dust. For Richard Sherman to say that if he beats him with one step, it is over is astonishing. Sherman (and his uber competitiveness) never gives props to individual receivers. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand all you want about Harvin, you won't be laughing Saturday!!

Who's sticking their head in the sand? I never said Harvin isn't a good player.

But for anybody to call him "the best football player I've ever seen" is a completely dumb statement. He's nowhere near the top of the league in terms of best WRs.

papz 01-10-2014 06:18 PM

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I don't understand why we're concerned with Harvin. They really don't focus on getting any particular receiver the ball. Wilson takes what the defense gives him and spreads the ball around. While I'm sure he still can hurt us, Percy Harvin really isn't Percy Harvin anymore.

There are only 3 things that concern me.

-Wrapping up Marshawn Lynch
-Limit the amount of plays Russell Wilson makes with his legs
-Not turning the ball over on offense.

blackangold 01-10-2014 06:20 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571364)
Let me give a little insight on Percy Harvin. He tore his Labrum which was never physically attached properly (a birth defect). He has never played with the ball and socket in perfect harmony. This has always put a tremendous amount of strain on tissue and finally, it tore. This condition has also limited many muscles that have never been used. When they fixed the Labrum, the tissue not only had to heal, but the full range ball and socked triggered muscle use that had normally stayed dormant and that is why his hip was swelling even though there was nothing structurally wrong. The Hawks wanted to give his body time to adjust to his new found muscle tissue which had again, stayed dormant his entire life and now he has even more power. He is not only as fast as he ever was, but now he is fully healed and is fully prepared for physical contact. All week players (Especially from our secondary) have been tweeting how he is "unbelievable" and at times leaving them in the dust. For Richard Sherman to say that if he beats him with one step, it is over is astonishing. Sherman (and his uber competitiveness) never gives props to individual receivers. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand all you want about Harvin, you won't be laughing Saturday!!


Considering Sherman's 40 time is 4.55 it wouldn't surprise me that Harvin beats him...

Your right though, Harvin is soo scary. For a guy that has never had a 1000 yd season, a guy that has never had more than 7 TDs he sure gets a lot of 'talk'.

saintsfan1976 01-10-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 571369)
I don't understand why we're concerned with Harvin. They really don't focus on getting any particular receiver the ball. Wilson takes what the defense gives him and spreads the ball around. While I'm sure he still can hurt us, Percy Harvin really isn't Percy Harvin anymore.

There are only 3 things that concern me.

-Wrapping up Marshawn Lynch
-Limit the amount of plays Russell Wilson makes with his legs
-Not turning the ball over on offense.

Two things we weren't able to accomplish before.

My concerns (for defense) are
- maintaining gap responsibility
- covering on Wilson roll outs
- defending deep passes off play action

Seahawks12th 01-10-2014 06:21 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 571366)
Who's sticking their head in the sand? I never said Harvin isn't a good player.

But for anybody to call him "the best football player I've ever seen" is a completely dumb statement.

A "dumb statement" by his teammate for almost all of his professional career and perhaps the greatest NFL running back in history? I can't think of someone to better attest than Peterson. You guys have a great board and fan base but I am baffled by the Harvin comments.

Anyways, it sucks one of our teams has to lose and go home (Of course for us it would be a short trip). I love the buildup to the game and yet now all the marbles are on the line.

Rugby Saint II 01-10-2014 06:22 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571357)
Harvin is made of glass and will probably sprain his toenail in warmups and be out of the game and playoffs, why even waste your time worrying about him? :)

Adrian Peterson must have been on crack when he said "Percy Harvin is the greatest player I have ever seen". Silly Adrian, your opinion is moot because you know nothing about talented players..

Finally, you've come to your senses. :p
Let's talk tomorrow night.:bng:

blackangold 01-10-2014 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571374)
A "dumb statement" by his teammate for almost all of his professional career and perhaps the greatest NFL running back in history? I can't think of someone to better attest than Peterson. You guys have a great board and fan base but I am baffled by the Harvin comments.

Anyways, it sucks one of our teams has to lose and go home (Of course for us it would be a short trip). I love the buildup to the game and yet now all the marbles are on the line.

This is a bigger game for you than it is for us. We are playing with 'house' money, if we lose its expected. If your team loses that door starts closing up. You guys are going to have some large contracts to payout soon.

Seahawks12th 01-10-2014 06:26 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 571371)
Considering Sherman's 40 time is 4.55 it wouldn't surprise me that Harvin beats him...

Your right though, Harvin is soo scary. For a guy that has never had a 1000 yd season, a guy that has never had more than 7 TDs he sure gets a lot of 'talk'.

I always thought the 40 yard dash should be done with pads. Some guys have all world speed but put some pads on, they lose significant speed. Anyways, you guys have a great fan base and if we do lose, I will root like crazy for you to beat the Whiners (I don't see the Panthers winning).

The Dude 01-10-2014 06:26 PM

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Yea I am hoping Harvin will still be a little rusty. As far as we know he could be no more than a decoy. We are gonna need a lot of luck to win this game so lets just hope up it ends that way.

lsusaint912 01-10-2014 06:31 PM

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Just shut up..

lsusaint912 01-10-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lsusaint912 (Post 571382)
Just shut up..

Seahawks 12

blackangold 01-10-2014 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571377)
I always thought the 40 yard dash should be done with pads. Some guys have all world speed but put some pads on, they lose significant speed. Anyways, you guys have a great fan base and if we do lose, I will root like crazy for you to beat the Whiners (I don't see the Panthers winning).

Cheers.

blackangold 01-10-2014 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lsusaint912 (Post 571382)
Just shut up..

Don't bash the guy... It's nice to debate other fans.

He has at least been pleasant so far..

SmashMouth 01-10-2014 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 571375)
Finally, you've come to your senses. :p
Let's talk tomorrow night.:bng:

I know uhhh? What is he down to judging by the latest pics, 150 lbs? A concussion waiting to happen.

Utah_Saint 01-10-2014 06:38 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 571364)
Let me give a little insight on Percy Harvin. He tore his Labrum which was never physically attached properly (a birth defect). He has never played with the ball and socket in perfect harmony. This has always put a tremendous amount of strain on tissue and finally, it tore. This condition has also limited many muscles that have never been used. When they fixed the Labrum, the tissue not only had to heal, but the full range ball and socked triggered muscle use that had normally stayed dormant and that is why his hip was swelling even though there was nothing structurally wrong. The Hawks wanted to give his body time to adjust to his new found muscle tissue which had again, stayed dormant his entire life and now he has even more power. He is not only as fast as he ever was, but now he is fully healed and is fully prepared for physical contact. All week players (Especially from our secondary) have been tweeting how he is "unbelievable" and at times leaving them in the dust. For Richard Sherman to say that if he beats him with one step, it is over is astonishing. Sherman (and his uber competitiveness) never gives props to individual receivers. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand all you want about Harvin, you won't be laughing Saturday!!

Thanks for the "insight" but we've seen Harvin before, several times as a matter of fact. Did you know he's never had a good game against the Saints? Or that the Vikings never beat us while Harvin was on the field?

I have no doubt he's a great wide receiver but we play great wide receivers all the time. We've got Julio Jones, Steve Smith and Vincent Jackson in our division. All of them had better numbers than Harvin in 2011, the last, and only time he played a full season.

NE SaintsFan 01-10-2014 06:43 PM

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Whoever it is needs to mug him at the line. Use that five yards you get to put some serious hands on him. Harvin is explosive but insanely soft. Lofton or Hawthorne drill him on a crossing route will end his night.

halloween 65 01-10-2014 06:43 PM

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Still no answer peeps!! Think!!

exile 01-10-2014 06:46 PM

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John Jenkins

SmashMouth 01-10-2014 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 571404)
John Jenkins

That is awesome.... He will just pancake Percy, probably break his legs in the process, not that we in any way would condone anything like that.

dueceloose 01-10-2014 06:48 PM

Re: Who is going to cover Harvin?
 
Who ever it is let's hope he don't get burned. Maybe if we're lucky the Fumblin Harvin from 09 will show up. Is it Saturday yet?

pherein 01-10-2014 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 571346)
I don't know why everyone is so concerned about Harvin. He has only touched the ball twice since November 4, 2012. One solid hit and he could be on the shelf for another 15 months.

Yeah , agree, I think they are wasting a WR spot putting him in. He cant be game speed ready. Put the worst guy we have on him. Hell put a LB on him.

saintsfan1976 01-10-2014 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 571408)
Yeah , agree, I think they are wasting a WR spot putting him in. He cant be game speed ready. Put the worst guy we have on him. Hell put a LB on him.

That's not what we want at all.

Two words - Will Herring. Heck ANY of our LB's would be toast.

pherein 01-10-2014 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 571411)
That's not what we want at all.

Two words - Will Herring. Heck ANY of our LB's would be toast.

well true, but this kid is not going to be ready from primetime after being out so often. Hes not a threat over Baldwin, tate, kearse, Miller. Just rouph him up at the line.

lsusaint912 01-10-2014 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 571388)
Don't bash the guy... It's nice to debate other fans.

He has at least been pleasant so far..

Wasent talking to u..


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