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WhoDat!656 01-10-2014 10:53 PM

Seattle's Defense Relies On a Brazen Tactic: Rampant Interference
 
Quietly, the Seahawks have achieved a 13-3 record and home-field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs by exploiting a loophole: NFL referees are reluctant to throw endless flags for pass interference and defensive holding, even if defenses deserve them.

"They look at it and say, 'We may get called for one but not 10,'" said Mike Pereira, a former NFL vice president of officiating who is now a Fox

The Seattle Seahawks Defense Relies on a Brazen Tactic: Rampant Interference - WSJ.com

Vrillon82 01-10-2014 11:10 PM

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Its gone on with many of the supposed top defenses this year to.

49ers, Seahawks is 2 right there. Patriots is another.

They are right, you get called for 1, but not 10.

As one commenter said, Seattle is doing nothing more than exposing the flaw within officiating in todays game, Seattle is really beginning to come across as blatant cheaters not only for this, but the PED's and the fact Pete Carol will cheat as he has done before at USC.

dizzle88 01-11-2014 12:36 AM

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Half their team is on PED's and goodell has yet to do anything about it

WhoDat!656 01-11-2014 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 571518)
Half their team is on PED's and goodell has yet to do anything about it

He won't until the league is sued over it!

Vrillon82 01-11-2014 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 571518)
Half their team is on PED's and goodell has yet to do anything about it

I believe so to.

Richard Sherman was caught with it as well and some how won an appeal.

RailBoss 01-11-2014 01:52 AM

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Refs don't want to make the call due to the screaming nasty fans!

Vrillon82 01-11-2014 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 571525)
Refs don't want to make the call due to the screaming nasty fans!

nope, its because of instances like Bottle gate and the one years ago in Minnesota where a ref was hit by a bottle, that was back in the 70s.

Beastmode 01-11-2014 03:08 AM

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Media has latched on to it. I suspect Roger will get it tightened up this weekend. It's blatantly ruining the game and goes beyond his vendetta with Payton and the Saints. I would not be surprised to see PI called early to set the tone for the rest of the playoffs. Like Sherman said, there is nothing special about what they do and I agree. Mugging receivers is fairly easy.

jnormand 01-11-2014 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 571531)
Media has latched on to it. I suspect Roger will get it tightened up this weekend. It's blatantly ruining the game and goes beyond his vendetta with Payton and the Saints. I would not be surprised to see PI called early to set the tone for the rest of the playoffs. Like Sherman said, there is nothing special about what they do and I agree. Mugging receivers is fairly easy.

I wish I shared your optimism. I hope they call a fair game, but if they get away with it so should the Saints. I don't expect much to change, but I do expect one of them to piss Jimmy off. There's gonna be some after the play pushing and shoving in this one.

Saint_LB 01-11-2014 05:56 AM

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It is total BS that it is not called. If they hold and interfere on every pass play, then keep calling it until they quit and then you find out just how good their team is.

Give any team the right to maul your receivers without penalty and they will improve. Maybe Seattle is RG's handpicked SB winner this year...and they have been notified that the sky is the limit for them.

saintsfan1976 01-11-2014 06:46 AM

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We're starting to sound like those guys with tin foil hats...

It's the playoffs. Play UP to the physicality of the game.

There will be untimely calls that's the nature of human error. But this is football and all we really want is a football game.

My suggestion - give it right back to them.

halloween 65 01-11-2014 07:44 AM

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They have got away with it all year and nothing is going to change now, we are in for a fight today. We have to outplay them!! If Goddell wanted this crap stopped he would have said something by now and the way he loves us so much do you think he is now? No!!

Mardigras9 01-11-2014 07:51 AM

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And now we know and have hopefully prepared a passing game plan that expects these disruptions.

SeahawkDude 01-11-2014 08:06 AM

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Wow. The excuse preparation is strong in here. It's a little unbecoming I must say. If we win, it'll be be because we we're the better team, not because the refs gave us a break. When have we ever got a break from the refs?...... No GB fans in here, are there?

saintsfan1976 01-11-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SeahawkDude (Post 571565)
Wow. The excuse preparation is strong in here. It's a little unbecoming I must say. If we win, it'll be be because we we're the better team, not because the refs gave us a break. When have we ever got a break from the refs?...... No GB fans in here, are there?

Easy there dude. You're talking to Saints fans here. A handful of recent good years aside there aren't many fan bases who've wallowed in misery and contempt as long.

Excuses are a part of our DNA and we're used to having them come November not January.

Today is a rematch of two good teams that shouldn't be marred by ideological officiating. Good luck to you as your coach sees things from a different angle than ours. Translation - chess match.

iceshack149 01-11-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 571527)
nope, its because of instances like Bottle gate and the one years ago in Minnesota where a ref was hit by a bottle, that was back in the 70s.

Are you referring to our fans or the Browns fans?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...59026428,d.cGU

Anyone know how I can send Kevin Gilbride a pack of Alaskan Amber?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/11/gilbride-says-seahawks-have-perfected-the-art-of-pass-interference/
:beer:
Great timing!

xan 01-11-2014 10:41 AM

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I wonder if the nfl or the refs have read any of the 100 or so articles on this. I can't imagine that they really want to have the story line be that they purposely favored the seahags.

Whatcha bet payton sent the league office an inquiry on interpretation just so it's something that he can go apesh it on the sidelines if the inequality presents.

brees84 01-11-2014 11:08 AM

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Against 49ers, refs made 2 PI calls in a row and everyone on seattle sideline went crazy. This will never happen again.

We just have to play physical football. Dominate the line of scrimmage and run the football.

Utah_Saint 01-11-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SeahawkDude (Post 571565)
Wow. If we win, it'll be be because we we're the better team,

You might want to let the media in on it, according to what I've been reading, Seattle's going to win because the Saints aren't used to the cold, and the Saints won't be able to overcome the crowd noise or the wet field will slow down the Saints offense or the classic the Saints can't win on the road.

As a matter of fact, this story in this thread implies the Seahawks success is due in part to their "Brazen Tactic: Pass interference" and is from the Wall Street Journal of all places.

Schmohams 01-11-2014 11:28 AM

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If it was the Saints DBs playing like that we wouldn't say a word. Make solutions, not excuses.

SeahawkDude 01-11-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 571644)
from the Wall Street Journal of all places.

Yeah I was curious about that. Why doesn't the WSJ stick to what it knows best.........Making MONEY!

Utah_Saint 01-11-2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SeahawkDude (Post 571648)
Yeah I was curious about that. Why doesn't the WSJ stick to what it knows best.........Making MONEY!

Yeah, that surprised me too. Would've made sense if it were about the business of the NFL.

Maybe they're testing the waters for a sports page.

JayHawk777 01-11-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 571611)
Are you referring to our fans or the Browns fans?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...59026428,d.cGU

Anyone know how I can send Kevin Gilbride a pack of Alaskan Amber?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/11/gilbride-says-seahawks-have-perfected-the-art-of-pass-interference/
:beer:
Great timing!

Gilbride is all sour grapes. The Hawks picked off Eli 5 times a month ago. In fact, if you look at this NFL network recap, you will see one of the best, if not the best, interception in covering VCruz on a crossing route. Those routes are extremely difficult to avoid a flag thrown because typically the DB drapes his outside hand arm around the receiver or gets contact too early.

Look at 1:45 and Byron Maxwell makes a PERFECT play to pick off the Eli pass.

On all 5 interceptions there are NO HOLDINGS, NO INTERFERENCE.

The biggest culprit was Brandon Browner and he's not even playing and won't play for the Hawks again. Don't buy into all of the hyperbole garbage. Hawks aren't innocent but you do something a few times and suddenly it's every play.

Take a few minutes, if you'd like, and educate yourself on the LOB. Don't settle for media,, sour grapes or story writing propaganda.




Utah_Saint 01-11-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JayHawk777 (Post 571656)
Gilbride is all sour grapes.
Don't settle for media,, sour grapes or story writing propaganda.

If it were just Kevin Gilbride then I'd be right there with you on the "sour grapes" thing, but it's not just Gilbride.

Several ESPN analysts just did a story about it too. They say they've been studying the tape. And why do you think Mike Pereira would lend his name to the story, unless he thinks there's something to it as well? Does he have a grudge against the Seahawks too? His reputation as being fair, is what his current career as an officiating expert is based on.

JayHawk777 01-11-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 571661)
If it were just Kevin Gilbride then I'd be right there with you on the "sour grapes" thing, but it's not just Gilbride.

Several ESPN analysts just did a story about it too. They say they've been studying the tape. And why do you thing Mike Pereira would lend his name to the story, unless he thinks there's something to it as well? Does he have a grudge against the Seahawks too? His reputation as being fair, is what his current career as an officiating expert is based on.

The one adjective that doesn't describe me is a "homer". I was honest about our O to Oak.

Do you remember many blatant holding or interference plays against your squad back in December?

The 5 interceptions against the Giants were all clean.

Who are the culprits? The biggest was Browner and he's not playing. Sherman has his guilty moments, no doubt. Maxwell? WT3?

It's overblown. I read Dilfer's words but do any of these analysts actually corroborate their hyperbole journalism with videos? Pick a game and show all of the pass plays with documentation.

When I evaluate college talent for the Hawks, I don't rely on highlights, but every play of the game that they're involved in. JPasq has excellent vids that show plays with a box around the player and for each snap whether they're O or D.

Let's see game tape. While I showed highlights of the Hawks' 5 picks, you'd think there'd be some type of infraction on at least one of the picks, right? Right.

Was there? A resounding NO....

It's overblown.

KCHawkGirl 01-11-2014 12:27 PM

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Actually it's a completely legal tactic to totally mug wide receivers if the quarterback is outside the pocket. Your CB's have to be insanely athletic and physical to do it and know EXACTLY where the quarterback is while still covering their man. Not as easy as it seems.

Utah_Saint 01-11-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JayHawk777 (Post 571666)
The one adjective that doesn't describe me is a "homer". I was honest about our O to Oak.

Do you remember many blatant holding or interference plays against your squad back in December?

The 5 interceptions against the Giants were all clean.

Who are the culprits? The biggest was Browner and he's not playing. Sherman has his guilty moments, no doubt. Maxwell? WT3?

It's overblown. I read Dilfer's words but do any of these analysts actually corroborate their hyperbole journalism with videos? Pick a game and show all of the pass plays with documentation.

When I evaluate college talent for the Hawks, I don't rely on highlights, but every play of the game that they're involved in. JPasq has excellent vids that show plays with a box around the player and for each snap whether they're O or D.

Let's see game tape. While I showed highlights of the Hawks' 5 picks, you'd think there'd be some type of infraction on at least one of the picks, right? Right.

Was there? A resounding NO....

It's overblown.

Just curious...
Why do you think so many people are risking their reputations as impartial by talking about it.

|Mitch| 01-11-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KCHawkGirl (Post 571669)
Actually it's a completely legal tactic to totally mug wide receivers if the quarterback is outside the pocket. Your CB's have to be insanely athletic and physical to do it and know EXACTLY where the quarterback is while still covering their man. Not as easy as it seems.

that's bull****, you can only "mug" or press receivers within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. As long as the QB is behind the line of scrimmage(doesn't matter where), defensive pass interference is still in effect down the field

The tackle box rule only exists for intentional grounding

NFL Rules Digest: Pass Interference

Utah_Saint 01-11-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 571672)
that's bull****, you can only "mug" or press receivers within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. As long as the QB is behind the line of scrimmage(doesn't matter where), defensive pass interference is still in effect down the field

The tackle box rule only exists for intentional grounding

NFL Rules Digest: Pass Interference

As usual, you beat me to it Mitch.

I'll add this link too though.

NFL Rules Digest: Use of Hands, Arms, and Body

RailBoss 01-11-2014 12:58 PM

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This Gilbride ProSports link is working.

Gilbride says Seahawks have

TheOak 01-11-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SeahawkDude (Post 571565)
Wow. The excuse preparation is strong in here. It's a little unbecoming I must say. If we win, it'll be be because we we're the better team, not because the refs gave us a break. When have we ever got a break from the refs?...... No GB fans in here, are there?


Take it to the smack talk area.

TheOak 01-11-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KCHawkGirl (Post 571669)
Actually it's a completely legal tactic to totally mug wide receivers if the quarterback is outside the pocket. Your CB's have to be insanely athletic and physical to do it and know EXACTLY where the quarterback is while still covering their man. Not as easy as it seems.


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