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Old 01-13-2014, 04:16 PM   #31
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Old 01-13-2014, 04:23 PM   #32
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Agree with others. Excellent post. Brutal on some points, but I think you're essentially correct.

I do however disagree with burning the entire playbook. I think a committed effort to RUN THE DANG BALL would do WONDERS for our playbook. Frankly I think that's what Sean means about being less predictable. We need to have the ability to run when Jimmy is in the game. We need to have the ability to run when either PT, Khiry, or Mark is lined up. We are too predictable based on our offensive packages. At least that's my armchair opinion, which is all I have to offer.

I think if we make a concerned effort to get some people who truly excel on the offensive line so many of our problems go away. The ceiling is "cathedral" for our defense.

I'm very excited about next season already.
Agreed about the playbook. I'd guess 90% of the playbook contain plays that every team runs.

I don't think the plays are the problem as much as the predictability of the play calls.

Like you said, if we have success running the ball the opposing teams can't just sit back in soft zones and nickel defenses waiting for that inevitable mistake.
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Agreed about the playbook. I'd guess 90% of the playbook contain plays that every team runs.

I don't think the plays are the problem as much as the predictability of the play calls.

Like you said, if we have success running the ball the opposing teams can't just sit back in soft zones and nickel defenses waiting for that inevitable mistake.
First we need to get rid of the 12 different screen plays we run. No team needs that many screen plays. Second, sean payton needs to let his highly paid OC call plays. Lastly, we need to start playing with a little tempo. I know payton wants to create the ultimate formation mismatches every play but sometimes increasing the tempo does just as good because it gives the opponent no time to adjust even if they know what's coming.

Too many times did I see delay of games and wasted timeouts because of late substitutions, late play calls and brees spending 15 seconds to move players around. Simplify and execute.
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First we need to get rid of the 12 different screen plays we run. No team needs that many screen plays. Second, sean payton needs to let his highly paid OC call plays. Lastly, we need to start playing with a little tempo. I know payton wants to create the ultimate formation mismatches every play but sometimes increasing the tempo does just as good because it gives the opponent no time to adjust even if they know what's coming.

Too many times did I see delay of games and wasted timeouts because of late substitutions, late play calls and brees spending 15 seconds to move players around. Simplify and execute.
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I think it's entirely possible that we might have a tell, on the screen plays in particular, that tips people off -- a signal, even beyond just being ridiculously overly predictable in when we call them. It could be something as simple as a lineman tilting his weight to one side, a certain guy leaving the huddle first when a screen is called, or a chin strap unbuckled. Because this year our screens have just been completely BLOWN UP, by almost everybody, except the absolute weakest, worst teams, where they still seem to work. But against anybody good, there's just been nothing there all year -- it's like they know the play is coming, especially against Seattle.
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...we need to start playing with a little tempo. I know payton wants to create the ultimate formation mismatches every play but sometimes increasing the tempo does just as good because it gives the opponent no time to adjust even if they know what's coming...
I'd like to see them run some no huddle too. Not all the time but when they think they've got a mismatch on the field, don't let it off the hook.
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Philly runs out the clock faster than we attempt a comeback ... Brees wasted at least 8 Minutes letting the clock hit 1 every darn play throughout the game ... Can you imagine what could've happened with 8 extra minutes just as the tide was turning out way ? Why give the defense extra time ? That's like fighting mike Tyson and allowing him to cock back
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Heck in fact the only time we were able to move the ball effectively was during the hurry up ! Sean Payton can really take a page from chip Kelly
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I'd trade Jimmy Graham for an AJ Green or Dez Bryant in a minute. Hell, I'd trade him for Crabtree, Boldin, or Vernon Davis. We need some speed at every spot.
BOLDIN! I'm sorry but never ever! a WR at 33 years old isn't an ideal player.
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Philly runs out the clock faster than we attempt a comeback ... Brees wasted at least 8 Minutes letting the clock hit 1 every darn play throughout the game ... Can you imagine what could've happened with 8 extra minutes just as the tide was turning out way ? Why give the defense extra time ? That's like fighting mike Tyson and allowing him to cock back

The adverse puts our defense on the field 8 extra minutes. No thanks.
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