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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Not too bad considering the doom the media cap watchers have been predicting. I guess thts why they write for the press and Loomis looks cool as a cucumber and gets paid the big bucks....

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Old 01-13-2014, 03:03 PM   #21
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Not too bad considering the doom the media cap watchers have been predicting. I guess thts why they write for the press and Loomis looks cool as a cucumber and gets paid the big bucks.

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Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions

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Am I the only one who does not like Strief? I cant wait to get rid of him.
The Terron Armstead miracle these past few games has made me feel like, basically, almost everybody is expendable or upgrade-able in some form or other. Realistically, Evans and Grubbs were good, but I'm tired of this year's line woes -- we should be expecting SO MUCH from our line, give our history of having great lines. We are used to being excellent in that area, and we deserve to be completely spoiled about THAT -- protecting Drew and having All Pro lines is what this team is all about. We CANNOT keep going, living in the past, with a deteriorating team that's getting slower and fatter and more and more expensive, growing longer and longer in the tooth. The NFL will pass us by so quickly if we don't stay on top of things.

I don't exactly dislike Strief, but we have such a great history of young guys coming in out of nowhere and playing their you-know-whats off for this team on the offensive line....maybe one more year to groom someone underneath him. It's time for change. The line was terrible this year, and our line players and staff are supposed to be known as some of the best in the biz.
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The Terron Armstead miracle these past few games has made me feel like, basically, almost everybody is expendable or upgrade-able in some form or other. Realistically, Evans and Grubbs were good, but I'm tired of this year's line woes -- we should be expecting SO MUCH from our line, give our history of having great lines. We are used to being excellent in that area, and we deserve to be completely spoiled about THAT -- protecting Drew and having All Pro lines is what this team is all about. We CANNOT keep going, living in the past, with a deteriorating team that's getting slower and fatter and more and more expensive, growing longer and longer in the tooth. The NFL will pass us by so quickly if we don't stay on top of things.

I don't exactly dislike Strief, but we have such a great history of young guys coming in out of nowhere and playing their you-know-whats off for this team on the offensive line....maybe one more year to groom someone underneath him. It's time for change. The line was terrible this year, and our line players and staff are supposed to be known as some of the best in the biz.
I know that Strief graded out well in most of our games. What we need is another center. dlp has maxed out I'm afraid.
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I know that Strief graded out well in most of our games. What we need is another center. dlp has maxed out I'm afraid.
DLP has actually graded out well, but we need someone who grades out excellent at center. Drew's best occurs when he can step up into the pocket and make a pass. DLP may not get beat, but he doesn't dominate his man enough to give Drew the 3 or 4 extra feet needed to step up into the pocket.

Drew thrives on dominant inside pocket protection.
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Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions

I hope we can have Parys Haralson back again.
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Is there a dead money hit if we release Vilma?
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I hope we can have Parys Haralson back again.
Considering he's coming off an injury and he's not exactly the youngest OLB out there, I think we can get him at a decent price. I think he's a solid player and would love to keep him, but even if we lose him there is a tonne of talented pass rushers in this years draft (Vic Beasley, Van Noy, Barr)
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I hope we can have Parys Haralson back again.
I would resign him but I'm most concerned that he won't stay healthy in 2014.
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Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar.
Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post...

Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back.

Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it...

Here is PFF from 2011: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2012 Articles


Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league...

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2013 Articles


Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF(2013):

Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS

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The salary cap will once again be a hurdle for the New Orleans Saints in 2014. They're already $12.5 million over the projected cap of $126.6 million, according to ESPN's John Clayton. And that's even before signing unrestricted tight end Jimmy Graham, who will certainly become the highest-paid tight end in NFL history.

Recent history suggests the Saints will still find a way to keep their core players and even add one or two key free agent signings. But it will require both some creative restructuring of contracts and some difficult decisions to part ways with some longtime veterans.

Here's a breakdown of some of the key decisions looming this offseason:

FREE AGENTS:

Unrestricted free agent starters: TE Jimmy Graham, RT Zach Strief, C Brian de la Puente, S Malcolm Jenkins, OLB Parys Haralson, K Shayne Graham.

Unrestricted free agent reserves: WR Robert Meachem, OT Charles Brown, QB Luke McCown, LB Jonathan Vilma, LB Will Herring, LB Ramon Humber, LB Keyunta Dawson, DE Kenyon Coleman, S Jordan Pugh

Restricted free agents: FB Jed Collins, WR Joe Morgan, S Rafael Bush, DE Tom Johnson

Thoughts: First of all, this is not a bad list, with only four full-time players on it. Teams, including the Saints, have faced much worse in past years.

The only no-brainer who will definitely be re-signed is Graham. He will be back at any cost, even if it means a fight over his franchise tag designation (tight end vs. wide receiver). It would be a win-win for both sides if they would avoid the franchise tag altogether and structure a cap-friendly long-term deal. But it's obviously possible that the negotiations may go on longer than expected, because Saints general manager Mickey Loomis and agent Jimmy Sexton will be breaking new ground on this deal.

After Graham, I would put Strief, de la Puente and Jenkins in the same boat. I think the Saints like all of them (Strief and Jenkins are both captains) and would very much like to have all of them back at the right price. But I wouldn't be shocked to see the Saints let any of them go if they get bigger offers elsewhere (like Scott Fujita, Jonathan Goodwin, Carl Nicks, Jermon Bushrod, etc., from years past).

I could also see the Saints bringing back guys like Haralson, Meachem and a handful of others from this list if the price is bare bones.

Another interesting name on this list is kicker Shayne Graham. He looked like a lock for a 2014 roster spot after being a playoff hero in Round 1. Then he missed both of his field-goal attempts at Seattle. I still like his chances of coming back and at least competing for the job. All kickers will miss occasionally, but I've got to think the Saints liked what they saw from him as a cool-headed veteran with a lot of experience under his belt.

As for the restricted free agents, I could see all of them coming back -- especially Collins and Bush. They might have to give those guys second-round tenders, though, which will probably cost more than $2 million each.

Read more: A look at the New Orleans Saints' 2014 roster decisions - ESPN
I don't think Graham was ever meant to be a serious long term signing or the answer to our kicker problems going forward. I think he was brought in because we needed a change and there was really nobody else out there. He is old and doesn't have the leg for long field goals anymore.
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