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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; P.T. will be around for a long time. maybe not with the saints but I hope he retires a saint. the mans a Houdini in the backfield. Khiry is our future I think, and sproles as long as healthy could ...

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Old 01-22-2014, 09:53 AM   #21
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P.T. will be around for a long time. maybe not with the saints but I hope he retires a saint. the mans a Houdini in the backfield. Khiry is our future I think, and sproles as long as healthy could play out career here along with brees, ingram is trade bait now. jmo.
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I'm not what you would call an Ingram diehard supporter.

Having said that; he needs to be "feed" the ball. Some may bring up the fumble. Ok. Tell me a runningback who hasn't. It's not like he was looked at harshly and dropped the ball. It was a good hit and it popped the ball out. Ingram needs to run and run a lot. He gets better as he goes. Like most good RB's. If we trade him or dump him, we will regret it.

Ingram's problem is, SP doesn't run the ball. Now does that have to do with the OL? I'd bet money on it. We need another RB like we need a hole in head. OL, IMO, needs to be top priority. 5 is 1 too many IMO.

I've been happily surprised with Robinson. However, I'm not ready to call him our #1 and our run game savior.

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We carry 5 RB's and 1 FB.

4 isn't too many, but 5 may be.

I think nearly all teams carry at least 4.
I didn't count the FB as a RB. I think we could get by with 3 RB and 1 FB that would total 4. If your counting the FB and the 5RB totaling 6 then I would say we have 2 to many backs.
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I didn't count the FB as a RB. I think we could get by with 3 RB and 1 FB that would total 4. If your counting the FB and the 5RB totaling 6 then I would say we have 2 to many backs.
That would be cutting 2 RB's from the roster. IMO thats too many, unless we had a RB/FB hybrid like Mike Tolbert playing FB.

I looked at numerous depth charts and most teams carry 4 RB and 1 FB. I could live with that, especially if our FB was a hybrid and we perhaps also carried a TE/RB/FB hybrid (H-Back).
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Question may not be how we carry them but how we use them. Cadet is carried but not used as a RB, Roby was carried as a WR but not used as a WR... We stash players within the squads. So while it looks like we carry 6, we only carry 5 and Cadet is ST.

PT was not Houdini in the back field this year. That said with 2 more catches than Colston, PT is a hybrid WR/RB.

Yea.. I called Pierre Thomas a WR.

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Old 01-25-2014, 04:42 PM   #26
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Different angle. There is a business side of this that needs to be taken into account, and passion or dislike for players should be removed from the equation.

Ingram (24 yo) - has a 2.3m cap hit and coming off his best season may be precisely why he is up for trade. Only 1 healthy season of his 3. FA 2015

Sproles (30 yo)- 4.2m cap hit but is more flexible but getting long in the NFL tooth FA 2015

PT (29 yo)- 2.9M cap hit but is the screen master.. getting long in the NFL tooth. FA 2015

K. Robinson (24 yo)- 500k cap hit and has proven to be very flexible, durable, young and hungry. FA 2016

Cadet (24 yo) - 570k in cap hit FA 2015


Here is a different angle to consider. If you are in the NFC Championship game which of the above would you least like to see running the ball against you? Of all listed above and what I have seen Ingram would be my preference of who we would have to stop basically because with out a wide open hole he isn't going anywhere.

We also know what PT and Sproles new if resigned contracts would look like because neither are on their 1st.

What I find odd is all of the people that have claimed for years that we do not use Ingram correctly want to keep him. News Flash... Sean Payton is not going to give any RB 20 carries per game.
1. PT will turn 31 during next season, has no upside, and is hurt every year. Releasing him would save 2.9 mil with no dead money. You don't pay a player that much money to be a screen specialist. You either keep Sproles or PT, keep one, or get rid of both.

2. Ingram has proven this year he can be a workhorse back. He has fully recovered from his previous injuries that were limiting his ability. 2.3 mil for a possible top 5-10 back is cheap.

3. Khiry probably has the most upside of all the RBs. He is here to stay.

4. Cadet is gone next year. He has offered nothing and has little upside.

What we say from Ingram and Khiry at the latter part of the season and in the playoffs is the future of the Saints offense. I think Payton now knows that we are going to get no where just depending on Brees at this stage in his career. He needs help. He is getting older at 35 and can't keep passing for 600 attempts on the backside of his career. I think Sproles and PT are more replaceable than Ingram and Robinson. Workhorse RBs are hard to come by these days and we possibly have two. They could be the next Foster/Tate or Williams/Stewart combo. Brees is at his best when the playaction is working. Running the ball effectively will give him that.

The two years we went the farthest in the playoffs, we were ranked 6th in rushing. We have to get back to that if we want to win another Superbowl in the Brees/Payton era. The league is turning back to a run first concept because defenses are now being built to stop the pass ala Seattle. The Saints became good by staying ahead of the power curve and we can do it again by becoming more run heavy in a passing league.
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Another "The Sky Is Blue" title. Let's see, he is on the roster, he is a RB so yes he is a RB of the future!
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1. PT will turn 31 during next season, has no upside, and is hurt every year. Releasing him would save 2.9 mil with no dead money. You don't pay a player that much money to be a screen specialist. You either keep Sproles or PT, keep one, or get rid of both.

2. Ingram has proven this year he can be a workhorse back. He has fully recovered from his previous injuries that were limiting his ability. 2.3 mil for a possible top 5-10 back is cheap.

3. Khiry probably has the most upside of all the RBs. He is here to stay.

4. Cadet is gone next year. He has offered nothing and has little upside.

What we say from Ingram and Khiry at the latter part of the season and in the playoffs is the future of the Saints offense. I think Payton now knows that we are going to get no where just depending on Brees at this stage in his career. He needs help. He is getting older at 35 and can't keep passing for 600 attempts on the backside of his career. I think Sproles and PT are more replaceable than Ingram and Robinson. Workhorse RBs are hard to come by these days and we possibly have two. They could be the next Foster/Tate or Williams/Stewart combo. Brees is at his best when the playaction is working. Running the ball effectively will give him that.

The two years we went the farthest in the playoffs, we were ranked 6th in rushing. We have to get back to that if we want to win another Superbowl in the Brees/Payton era. The league is turning back to a run first concept because defenses are now being built to stop the pass ala Seattle. The Saints became good by staying ahead of the power curve and we can do it again by becoming more run heavy in a passing league.
Pierre is hurt every year and has no upside?
Ingram is a proven workhorse?

Hasn't Ingram been out more and had more nagging injuries than Thomas? Ingram's averaged 12.3 games/year for his 3 years vs. 13.4 for Thomas. And I think being the second leading reciever on the team is Thomas' upside.

And I'm as excited as the next guy with how Ingram ran in the last 4 or 5 games, I don't know if he should be called proven workhorse just yet.
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I like that we have him, lets see if we can get a better line first. Then all of them have the talent to look like hall of fame backs. Hell even my old ass would with a better line
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I like that we have him, lets see if we can get a better line first. Then all of them have the talent to look like hall of fame backs. Hell even my old ass would with a better line
Its encouraging that once Evans got healthy and Armstead replaced Brown the O-line looked a pant load better.

Could Brown's play affect the entire line? The O-line is a perfect example of the sum being better than than individual pieces. Maybe Grubbs had too many help plays toward Browns side, which hurt DLP, which hurt Evans which hurt Strief.

It might not be a coincidence that our best O-lineman was the one farthest removed from Brown.
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