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Danno 11-08-2004 11:47 AM

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QB's
No one. This disaster isn't Brooks fault, but its time to move on, both for his own good and the Saints fan's. A good GM could work one of those trades that benefit both teams.

RB's
McAllister-Renegotiate now while his value has dropped. Buy low, sell high! I'd still listen to any and all trade options though.
Karney-Bright spot. Solid FB for years to come.

WR's
Horn-ONLY if he re-negotiates, which he should, especially with the enthusiasm a new HC will bring. NO WAY I pay him Marvin Harrison type money. I don't care how scrappy or tough he is.
Pathon-Eases the sting of Donte's inconsistency. Salary is only a bit too high. If Horn leaves he's a must keep.
Stallworth-Loomis did a good job on his cap friendly 6-year contract. A good 3rd WR as is, or good trade-bait. I think he's been handcuffed by McCarthy, as have several players on the offense. Maybe a strong disciplinarian could make him a decent #1.
Henderson-Wish I could honestly say why, other than the investment of a #2 in him.

TE-Zack Hilton. I'd definitely keep him and see how he develops. I'd probably be OK with keeping Conwell and/or Boo if they respond well to the new staff.

O-Line
Bentley, Holland, Gandy are the only ones with a sure spot. All other players on this offense are replaceable with street FA's, including Stinchcomb. I do think a new staff could bring out the best of this bunch. They may also move Stinch inside.IMHO

2005 Offensive needs- this side of the ball is in so much better shape than the defense its encouraging. No real GLARING needs, except maybe RT.
I'd look at...
Young QB to develop
Veteran FA QB to replace Brooks while a youngster develops. Like a Kitna, Brees, Griese, Brad Johnson, Warner, Ramsey (if Gibbs truley just dislikes this kid).
RT-Vickey is history. I don't know a thing about Free Agent RT's but I do know Victoria will be one very soon. How can he go from decent to soooooo bad in just one season?




shadowdrinker_x 11-08-2004 12:15 PM

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\'\'no glaring needs\'?????...what games are you watching...what team are you talking about?...there isn\'t one position we are solid at right now...not one...we have two good plyaers on the whole team...we have needs allright...glaring so brightly they could scorch the earth

Danno 11-08-2004 12:22 PM

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\'\'no glaring needs\'?????...what games are you watching...what team are you talking about?...there isn\'t one position we are solid at right now...not one...we have two good plyaers on the whole team...we have needs allright...glaring so brightly they could scorch the earth
I\'ll agree on the Defense that there are glaring needs.
But on offense no.

I\'m also of the opinion that bad coaching is responsible for what is happening now.

You honestly don\'t think there\'s ONE position worth keeping?

If thats so then Haslett and company are doing a FANTASTIC job.

Sorry, I don\'t buy it.

RDOX 11-08-2004 12:23 PM

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QB\'s
No one. This disaster isn\'t Brooks fault, but its time to move on, both for his own good and the Saints fan\'s. A good GM could work one of those trades that benefit both teams.

RB\'s
McAllister-Renegotiate now while his value has dropped. Buy low, sell high! I\'d still listen to any and all trade options though.
Karney-Bright spot. Solid FB for years to come.

WR\'s
Horn-ONLY if he re-negotiates, which he should, especially with the enthusiasm a new HC will bring. NO WAY I pay him Marvin Harrison type money. I don\'t care how scrappy or tough he is.
Pathon-Eases the sting of Donte\'s inconsistency. Salary is only a bit too high. If Horn leaves he\'s a must keep.
Stallworth-Loomis did a good job on his cap friendly 6-year contract. A good 3rd WR as is, or good trade-bait. I think he\'s been handcuffed by McCarthy, as have several players on the offense. Maybe a strong disciplinarian could make him a decent #1.
Henderson-Wish I could honestly say why, other than the investment of a #2 in him.

TE-Zack Hilton. I\'d definitely keep him and see how he develops. I\'d probably be OK with keeping Conwell and/or Boo if they respond well to the new staff.

O-Line
Bentley, Holland, Gandy are the only ones with a sure spot. All other players on this offense are replaceable with street FA\'s, including Stinchcomb. I do think a new staff could bring out the best of this bunch. They may also move Stinch inside.IMHO

2005 Offensive needs- this side of the ball is in so much better shape than the defense its encouraging. No real GLARING needs, except maybe RT.
I\'d look at...
Young QB to develop
Veteran FA QB to replace Brooks while a youngster develops. Like a Kitna, Brees, Griese, Brad Johnson, Warner, Ramsey (if Gibbs truley just dislikes this kid).
RT-Vickey is history. I don\'t know a thing about Free Agent RT\'s but I do know Victoria will be one very soon. How can he go from decent to soooooo bad in just one season?



Assessment by position

Quarterback

Trade/cut Brooks and Bouman. Acquire Brees and draft a talented backup.

Running Back

Negotiate a good deal for Deuce, keep Stecker, draft a middle round RB

Tight End

Trade Williams, keep Conwell, Hall, and Hilton.

Tackle

Trade/cut Riley & Gandy. Keep Folau. Use #1 pick for the best offensive tackle we can find or pick up the best FA tackle we can find.

Guards

Keep everyone

Center

Draft a center in late round

Wide Receiver

Trade Horn (age & injury prone) Introduce an offense that Henderson can understand. Make Pathon the #2 and Stallworth #3. Use draft pick to get a decent WR in upper rounds. Keep Michael Lewis as a return man and Special Teams guy. Trade Gardner for whatever the market will get us.

Defense

Trade Sullivan for whatever we can get or kick his behind bloody to make him understand he\'s a big boy now.

Trade Darren Howard (injury prone)
Trade/cut Allen, Hodge, Rodgers, Cie Grant. Keep Ruff and Watson.
Draft stud OLB or pick up Choice FA\'s

Backfield.

Trade/Cut Jones, Ambrose,
Develop Gleason and Mel Mitchell as Safeties.
Develop Brown/Craft/Thomas/McKenzie into a rotating unit.

My two cents



fact-o-bake 11-08-2004 12:58 PM

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In response to the top post.
How has Stallworth been handcuffed? HE CANNOT CATCH A FOOTBALL! That\'s all there is too it. A number 3 receiver needs to have sure hands, so to me he\'s worthless.
We cut Zach Hilton weeks ago, so discussing him is a mute point.
Our entire O-line is suspect at this point. Every single O-lineman played crappy in pass protection yesterday.

WhoDat 11-08-2004 01:04 PM

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Was that just a suggestion to make devery henderson our #1 WR????? :casstet:


Danno - I don\'t know that I think our problems are at the skill positions.

Deuce is a must keep. Unless you\'re getting a top 20 NFL player in return, there simply isn\'t a deal IMO that will be worth it. A zone blocking scheme and a passing attack that sets up the run and Deuce is a 2000 yard back. You gotta keep him. Stecker is a good backup and I think he should be used more regularly in the offense.

I can understand wanting to rework Horn\'s contract, but I also think the guys is solid. A steady top-10 performer who is a gamer and gives this team an attitude. You gotta keep him, IMO, especially when there\'s a change. Despite his mouth, Horn is a consistent part of our team, and that\'s good when everything else is in turmoil. Plus, we don\'t have another WR playing at even a #2 WR level right now. We need some help here... again.

Brooks/Bouman - both probably have to go. Bouman didn\'t get the chance I\'m guessing he was promised. Brooks just isn\'t the long-term solution, and given the history here, I doubt he can succeed in NO.

To me, our problems on O start with the scheme and play calling. They are followed up by poor line play, and inconsistent TEs. Most importantly, this team is simply in chaos. The players could play much better with good coaching, IMO. But some upgrades along the line are probably necessary. A consistent QB and a better scheme would help too.

Danno 11-08-2004 01:11 PM

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In response to the top post.
How has Stallworth been handcuffed? HE CANNOT CATCH A FOOTBALL! That\'s all there is too it.
He\'s got fewer drops than Horn. He is the fastest (official) player in the NFL. How many deep balls are thrown his way? How many WR screens? End arounds? Oh yeah we tried the end around once and it looked like the slowest developing play I\'ve witnessed since the triple-reverse we tried in intra-mural flag football.

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We cut Zach Hilton weeks ago, so discussing him is a mute point.
He cleared waivers and we re-signed him to the PS.

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Our entire O-line is suspect at this point. Every single O-lineman played crappy in pass protection yesterday.
So you\'d cut an all-pro Bentley? A 2nd year OG with tons of potential? A proven LT thats having a down year?
I think thats a bit of an over-reaction don\'t you?
If you think thats bad, replace them with 9 street free-agents and see what you get.

This whole team has played \"crappy\" all year. Do you think it might have more to do with coaching than anything else? You could give this staff the entire Patriots team and within 2 years we\'re back to 8-8.

4saintspirit 11-08-2004 01:17 PM

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Time to play the reserves -- we know what our starters are doing -- lets see what we have to work with -- only then can we really make a decision of who goes and stays. We cannot trade or cut the whole team.

BlackandBlue 11-08-2004 01:30 PM

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I\'m also of the opinion that bad coaching is responsible for what is happening now.

You honestly don\'t think there\'s ONE position worth keeping?

If thats so then Haslett and company are doing a FANTASTIC job.
I\'m so with you on this statement. It\'s either one or the other, but it can\'t be both, people. Either we are completely void of talent on this team and the coaching has done an excellent job (which I doubt), or we have plenty of talent, but the coaching is washed up. So which is it?

SycoSurfer 11-08-2004 03:21 PM

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Danno makes a few good points, but you totally lost me on some of the things you are talking about...

Brooks might not be to blame, but we should get rid of him anyway? We might not be able to pick up anything better unless we benched him for say a Drew Brees or someone who wants to come in and compete for the job... Brooks is under contract and no one will want to pick that up so why not keep him for another year we got the cap room to keep even him as an overpaid backup... Who can we bring in to get us going? Brees and Kitna come to mind as a quick fix. At least to make things interesting...

Deuce would not want to renegotiate right now cause he knows he has had a bad season, but he still knows that he is a top 10 if not top 5 back in the league... Listening to offers for him would be stupid since he is the only sure fire solid player we have...Stecker is a solid backup and drafting a RB late might not be a bad idea, but they will have a few solid FAs out there to look at...

Joe Horn is over rated in my opinion. Best WR we have yes, but name one guy on our team who could start somewhere? Horn is not a #1 WR like we need... He is a solid guy but he is controversal and wants big money... Honestly I dont think he is worth it unless he decideds to start playing better football. He has dropped to many passes this year. Not to mention he is 32 will be 33 at the start of next season. How many good years can he have left? He should not get a big contract!

As for the other WRs the only person who seems to be able to catch consistently is Pathon and if it came down to Horn or Pathon I would rather keep Pathon who is younger and not as expensive. I will prolly get blasted for that, but like I said before my opinion. He is a professional just plays and shuts up.

Stallworth needs to be developed. Someone should be working on the kids hands. Same with Henderson if he has all the other skills...

Lewis is a solid return man? He is aging and he hasnt broken one in two years.

Lewis return stats:
\'02 14.2 yards per punt return; 25.8 yards per kick return. 3TDs
\'03 9.16 yards per punt return; 23.73 yards per kick return. 0TDs
\'04 10.35 yards per punt return; 22.45 yards per kick return. 0TDs
Notice a trend???

OL- Keep Gandy?!? He is having an off year? Dont get down on him for 1 off year... when an OLman has an off year it is usually the end of the road... He is old and not gonna bounce back to someone we can rely on for years to come. 33 years old and playing bad... I dont think we can keep him around. If we are going to rebuild we should rebuild not keep an old foundation that we will have to fix in a year or two.

Bently yes we deffinantly keep him. Holland has potential yes and maybe a new coaching staff can get it out of him, but Sullivain has potential at DL and noone is talking about keeping him... Holland needs to do sumthing to show me he deserves to be kept. As for Stinchcomb... wasnt he drafted higher than Montrae Holland? So I wouldnt be so fast to write him off either.

As for TE if we are gonna run we need to get a blocking TE. If we are gonna pass we need a TE with hands. Boo has dropped way to many passes to keep his position and Conwell drops passes, doesnt block so well and commits enough mistakes to cost us a close game all by his self. Hilton might be someone we can develope, but developing our talent hasnt been a strong point.

One thing you left out that I have a problem with is our kicker. I know he is consistent, but I was upset when we let go of a strong legged young kicker(Shayne Graham) in favor of Doug Brien and since then we havent really had anything to brag about. Carney is good yes, but he is 40? how long you think he will play? He isnt gonna get any better and if anything he will lose some leg strength. Shayne Graham by the way isnt doing so bad in Cincinati...

Once again just my opinion and willing to discuss my views with anyone... thats what this forum is for right? So go ahead and blast away on me I know you guys will have fun picking me apart...

BlackandBlue 11-08-2004 03:25 PM

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He has dropped to many passes this year.
He\'s dropped like 2. And for all his \"drops\", what always stands out are his photogenic catches. I think sometimes people\'s opinions of Horn are clouded because of his antics, and not his play on the field. I could make a highlight reel just with his catches this year, alone.

shadowdrinker_x 11-08-2004 03:33 PM

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whoa..wait up..deuce..a 2000 yard back??..yeah...with a new offensive line...new tight ends...new qb that can make enough of throws to get defenses to bite on the play fake...new offense...basically..we would have to get wide outs that can catch..and block...you say..\'\'the team has to have one side..it can\'t be bad players and bad coaching..\'\'..well..yeah..it can..and it is...wo don\'t have the personel to make venturi\'s schemes effective...our coaches cannot plan..or make adjustments to correct problems that arise during the game...it is painfully obvious that the coaches do not know..or have the slightest idea of how to plan or conduct a practice schedule...and our players in turn..have no idea about whats going on...answer me this..why was gandy behind brooks on the right side...when brooks threw that laughable bacwards pass?..there\'s no way that a screen play has the left tackle lining up behind the qb\'s right side...and aaron threw it to him????..he had no idea what was going on...my point stands...total re-organization...total rebuild..ground up..all sides of the ball..we stink..flat out..no offense..no defense..no special teams..no more excuses...

turbo_dog 11-08-2004 03:54 PM

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Joe Horn has been our most consistant offensive player for the past three years.

fact-o-bake 11-08-2004 04:05 PM

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O.K. Danno. I guess I\'m not educated enough, but am hungry for knowledge. Where can I find stats on dropped passes by personnel, also practice squad transactions. As far as the O-line goes, of course I don\'t think we should cut the entire line. I guess what I should say is that not one of them including Bentley is playing well enough to earn a competition free starting position next year.
As far as Stallworth, how long are you supposed to give a guy to develop. This is his third season, and even if he drops less passes than Horn, he rarely makes up for them as Horn always does. If speed was the most important attribute of a receiver, then John Capel would have made the Bears, as well as be an olympic sprinter.

Cassady37 11-08-2004 04:28 PM

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Trade Brooks, cut Bouman and pick up a decent utility QB.
Keep Deuce and Karney, pick up a utility back-up rb.
Move Bentley back to guard, pick up a good FA center, keep Holland.
Tell Gandy and Riley to hit the road and pick up two FA\'s to fill the void.
Keep Conwell and Boo at TE, ( I think a new coaching staff will help this problem).
Keep Donte, Pathon and trade Horn unless he renegotiates. Develope Henderson and pick up a good FA WR. Cut Lewis, he\'s had enough.
On defense, keep Grant, Will Smith, Watson, Ruff, MM, Mitchell, Brown, Craft and TJ. Draft LB\'s, Safties . Sign LB\'s and Safties in FA.
Hire Randy Mueller back to be the GM and a lot of these problems will be taken care of, I promise you. O-well, wishful thinking, a Saint\'s fan has got to dream.

Danno 11-08-2004 04:46 PM

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SYCO:Brooks might not be to blame, but we should get rid of him anyway?
Not unless we can get something for him. I\'m not opposed to keeping him but I\'d love to see one of those trades that help both teams
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SYCO: OL- Keep Gandy?!? He is having an off year? Dont get down on him for 1 off year... when an OLman has an off year it is usually the end of the road...
Yeah, we thought the same thing about Roaf. Gandy isn\'t spectacular but he is above average. I say keep him, but keep looking.
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SYCO: Deuce would not want to renegotiate right now cause he knows he has had a bad season, but he still knows that he is a top 10 if not top 5 back in the league... Listening to offers for him would be stupid since he is the only sure fire solid player we have...
Based on what? His play 2 years ago? If someone offered a blockbuster deal (ala Ricky Williams) I\'d definitely listen. I\'m not saying trade him for a fricking James Thrash and a 7th rounder! It would have to knock my jock off. But I don\'t think he\'s 100% off-limits either
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SYCO: if it came down to Horn or Pathon I would rather keep Pathon who is younger and not as expensive. I will prolly get blasted for that, but like I said before my opinion. He is a professional just plays and shuts up.
I actually agree with this statement 100%.
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Fact-o-bake: O.K. Danno. I guess I\'m not educated enough, but am hungry for knowledge. Where can I find stats on dropped passes by personnel, also practice squad transactions.
His dad (Zack Hilton\'s) frequents another forum I read and keeps us informed. Thats the only reason I know we picked him back up.
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Fact-o-bake: As far as Stallworth, how long are you supposed to give a guy to develop. This is his third season
Well most WR\'s take 2 or 3 years to develop. AND Donte came out a year earlier than most. With a cap friendly 6 year contract I can see no reason to give up on him this year. He\'s had quite a few great catches this year. More than he\'s dropped.

MAINLY: I think a recurring problem this coaching staff has had is developing players or rather NOT developing players. We have a ton of young players who very well may blossom into stars under a new regime. I don\'t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


Danno 11-08-2004 05:06 PM

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DANNO- If someone offered a blockbuster deal (ala Ricky Williams) I\'d definitely listen.Thats some crazy ****! You must be kidding, Duece for Ricky Williams. WTF??
No, WTF did you read? I meant if someone offered a blockbuster trade, LIKE THE RICKY TRADE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I\'d definitely listen.
No wonder peoples posts get turned around so often here. Nobody reads them anymore.

SycoSurfer 11-08-2004 05:16 PM

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ON Aaron Brooks: Not unless we can get something for him. I\'m not opposed to keeping him but I\'d love to see one of those trades that help both teams
Who you think will give us something for a QB who has consistently under acheived and never been a leader? Besides that noone would pay his contract... I would trade him if I thouhgt we had an offer worth it, but come on who would take a shot on him? No one is that desperate... Maybe Miami, but I think they have learned that when we have a troubled player they will let us figure it out...

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ON Wayne Gandy: Yeah, we thought the same thing about Roaf. Gandy isn\'t spectacular but he is above average. I say keep him, but keep looking.
If I remember correctly we traded Roaf cause he was coming off an injury and there was alot of internal problems with him and Joe Horn... Not to mention we had a very capable back up with Turley. I dont think we traded Roaf cause he wasnt performing. Gandy might have some left in the tank, but right now he looks absolutley clueless... as shadowdrinker said... what was Gandy doing 10 yards behind Brooks on a pass play? and he was just standing there... maybe he rode his man out the play, but you dont just stop and stand around after you made your block you finish it off till the whistle blows..

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ON Deuce McAllister: Based on what? His play 2 years ago? If someone offered a blockbuster deal (ala Ricky Williams) I\'d definitely listen. I\'m not saying trade him for a fricking James Thrash and a 7th rounder! It would have to knock my jock off. But I don\'t think he\'s 100% off-limits either
Did Deuce not run for 1600 yards last year? 500 yards receiving? You think you can just toss him away and replace him? We sure arent Denver. The Cowboys let go of Emmitt and we all know he is over the hill, but they havent been able to replace him. Here you are talking about getting rid of a proven feature back who is 25 years old. If you were refering to the trade in which we got Ricky the one where we gave up the entire draft then yes I would listen, but name one team you think that would do sumthing that stupid? You remember how well it worked out for us? One player is not worth that...

I think you are getting ahead of yourself... its been along season, but dont get so frustrated we get rid of everything... we do have a few decent players on the team...

[Edited on 8/11/2004 by SycoSurfer]

BlackandBlue 11-08-2004 05:59 PM

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No, WTF did you read? I meant if someone offered a blockbuster trade, LIKE THE RICKY TRADE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I\'d definitely listen.
No wonder peoples posts get turned around so often here. Nobody reads them anymore.
Ever see the movie \"Baseketball\"? I picture Danno as Ernest Borgnine and gator as Matt Stone during the scene where Matt keeps asking Ernest these asinine questions, and Ernest starts every answer off with, \"What??? No...\" lol

[Edited on 9/11/2004 by BlackandBlue]

BiggPoppaFro3 11-08-2004 06:05 PM

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Keep Brooks! Yes he made a stuuuuupid play, but he had no protection. when he has time, he CAN do it. (I knew we were going to lose yesterday when we started the game with 3 straight passes--McCarthy sucks donkey n****!!!) and Bouman is a good backup. I think we are ok there

RB -- Deuce is the present and future. We should be ride his back all the way to the playoffs. Instead we pass a ton and try to play catch up. Run Deuce Run!!! And Karney just rules.

WR -- Horn stays. We can\'t afford to get rid of the only consistent threat we have there. Stallworth may benefit from a new coaching system and Henderson as well. Still A mid round draft pick on a good young guy will help.

TE -- we should have drafted a good one 2 years ago (Whitten, maybe?). I like Boo, but maybe some good, top-end competition will help. Hilton can stay too.

OL -- Bentley and Holland get to stay. Cut the dead weight. We had no reason to go after Gandy. Now we know why. Riley sucks like he worked for Heidi Fleiss and Jacox now doubles as a screen at the local cineplex. Focus FA and 1st rnd draft here. (Munoz - Tennessee or kid from Oklahoma or kid from Miss. State (bias there ;)

DL -- Grant. Next

LB -- Watson and finally a move in FA you dumb, front office bastards!! How do you not even TRY for Takeo Spikes!!??

DB -- FS needs change. All others are surprisingly good.

Just the words of a frustrated Saints fan. At least I\'m on leave while this is happening.

Danno 11-09-2004 06:39 AM

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Sorry Danno. I get confused sometimes. Sounds like you really want to get rid of Duece McAllister and I don\'t really understand why other than he takes less heat than Airball Arron.
I have repeatedly said Deuce is our best player on either side of the ball. I don\'t know what else to say. I also said if another team is willing to give us a fortune for him I\'d listen. I never said we should try and trade him!
I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is there a bigger font I need to use?
I guess I\'ll have to put it in my sig! :shrug:

I do think too many people give him a free pass when he plays like crap. I just call it like I see it. The Deuce worship annoys me.

I believe, and have said so MANY times, that our offensives problems start with McCarthy and Haslett mis-using the talent we have.
They force their schemes on their players instead of adjusting their schemes to fit their players strengths.

I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT WANT TO DUMP DEUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I\'m guessing it\'ll take about 3 more posts and someone\'s gonna ask why I want to dump Deuce! :casstet:

Saint_LB 11-09-2004 07:06 AM

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No room for that

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WhoDat 11-09-2004 08:52 AM

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My lord Danno - I can\'t believe that you want to dump Deuce!!! LMAO. :)

Joe Horn isn\'t a #1 WR??? OK - Please name the WR from the following teams who have played better this year and/or over the last 4 years.

Atlanta
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Dallas
Jacksonville
Miami
Tennessee
Houston


Those are just the teams in the South... Horn is the best WR in the South. Want to compare him to the west?

Oakland
San Fran
San Diego
Arizona
Seattle
Denver
KC


People have got to start using their heads. How did the solution for this team become trade Deuce, dump Horn and Brooks, but keep Wayne Gandy?!?!?! :casstet:

saintswhodi 11-09-2004 09:22 AM

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I can\'t believe Danno wants to get rid of Deuce!!! That has to be the dumbest idea yet!! Next you will be telling me he wants to fire Haslett. What\'s that you say? We do wanna fire Haslett?? Well then we damn sure had better keep Deuce!!!!!!! :rollinglaugh:

BlackandBlue 11-09-2004 09:38 AM

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What??? Danno wants to get rid of...

Ok, this is getting old.


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