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44Champs 01-19-2014 10:03 PM

Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Sean Payton's offense is based on speed at the skill positions - not a big surprise. When we had Devery, Meachem and Bush, we scared opposing defenses. Not anymore. . It seems like our receivers had problems getting open this year, especially against the more talented DB's. That used to not be a problem. Looking back, losing Joe Morgan early was huge - he was shaping up to be our deep threat - hopefully he can come back healthy. A more experienced Kenny Stills will help, as will a healed Jimmy Graham. We really have no "burners" at RB, but Sproles is quick and KR is fast enough. Do the Saints start moving more towards a run-first or balanced offense or do they bring in new personnel at the skill positions to regain our championship form? It will be interesting to see what Loomis & Payton do w the draft and FA to address this.

|Mitch| 01-19-2014 10:18 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
As long as Drew and Sean are at the helm, we'll never be a run-first offense...

OldMaid 01-19-2014 10:36 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Does the Saints Offense have to get faster next year ?

Yes they do.

WW_Who_Dat 01-19-2014 11:39 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Absolutely ... Some very hard decision this off season with some key personnel will need to be made. It's a business and I trust SP and ML will make the best decision for the team and that we will say good bye to several fan / key team starters and role players. It was painfully obvious when played playoff caliber teams that our offense did not play near fast enough to get separation on the short to middle routes much less the deep ball. If we don't get faster / younger on both sides of the ball we will stay in the contender not Champions spot. :bng:

WHODATINCA 01-20-2014 01:19 AM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Yes. It's shocking but this O needs an overhaul or at the very least some major upgrades. We need better run blocking, screen and pass protection. Screens lost yards this year. Ridiculous -- since we aren't a run first team ( and apparently never will be in spite of having 4 running backs ). Notice the contradictions? I think TArmstead is an upgrade but how much of an upgrade next season will tell. We need a kicker ( apparently we signed one ) and a return game.

Budsdrinker 01-20-2014 07:50 AM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Not necessarily faster but more physical. Receivers don't have to be fast to create separation, it's all in route running and being able to get off a jam at the LOS.

TheOak 01-20-2014 08:47 AM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
I agree we need more speed at WR but not sure it matters or will help much when 52% of our passing goes to Thomas, Sproles, and Graham. Stills has all the speed we need, but had 32 of 446 receptions.

lee909 01-20-2014 08:56 AM

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The game plan became obvious to everyone. Dont run, force the ball to Graham then look to dump off to Sproles if all else fails look elsewhere.
Just mix in more run plays and the receivers will get more seperation.Id like to see Drew back down to under 5000 yards with the running game picking up the slack.More uptempo plays would be good too and with the increase in running would compensate for the time of possession.

Beastmode 01-20-2014 09:17 AM

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Jerry Rice was not that fast so I don't know...speed is great but our problems are much deeper. Blocking and being physical, I can't think of many times this season where I saw a great block or our receivers fighting for balls.

QBREES9 01-20-2014 09:18 AM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
It all starts with the five guys up front.

hennr 01-20-2014 10:03 AM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
If the NFL has defacto with out rules formal change allow DBs to grab mugg armbar receivers the we need smaller quick recivers an a smaller quicker Te like Josh hill an wrs like a joe morgan.however the pass interference rule is only for a few select teams.If rule called the way it in the rulebook then no way we see jimmy an marques shut down by sea hawks.If lewis was allowed to do what sherman allowed by Refs the he nfl best Cb.Some teams saints play will not have old wink an nood so we need a blendof body types.Some of what we do to me is how long we stay in nfl dog house.Point is we can go to superbowl but we need to put best 53 roster.Drew is 35 time to spend for the next two years and penny pinch with rookie ufda types from say seasons 2017 thru 2020.thats what 49 ers did after old eddie D was forced out from a bad deal in la thats one thing old edwin did good on.We need to resign vets like Haralson an strief as its win NOW.

Utah_Saint 01-20-2014 12:04 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hennr (Post 574844)
If the NFL has defacto with out rules formal change allow DBs to grab mugg armbar receivers the we need smaller quick recivers an a smaller quicker Te like Josh hill an wrs like a joe morgan.however the pass interference rule is only for a few select teams.If rule called the way it in the rulebook then no way we see jimmy an marques shut down by sea hawks.If lewis was allowed to do what sherman allowed by Refs the he nfl best Cb.Some teams saints play will not have old wink an nood so we need a blendof body types.Some of what we do to me is how long we stay in nfl dog house.Point is we can go to superbowl but we need to put best 53 roster.Drew is 35 time to spend for the next two years and penny pinch with rookie ufda types from say seasons 2017 thru 2020.thats what 49 ers did after old eddie D was forced out from a bad deal in la thats one thing old edwin did good on.We need to resign vets like Haralson an strief as its win NOW.

Or we. could go the opposite route and line up some 300 pounders in the wide receiver position to start tossing around defensive backs like rag dolls if the refs refuse to call anything.

st thomas 01-20-2014 04:22 PM

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True but even rice had speed opposite him. But if we dont get more physical like u said it wont change. I believe payton saw enough .like he said with brown at left tackle things will change next season.

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Danno 01-20-2014 06:10 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
I think we need more speed in several areas. The consensus is WR, and I agree totally. RB is another we could use, but don't really need.

I think we desperately need more speed at LB and safety. Vaccaro timed about the same speed as Jenkins and Harper did. Not slow but certainly not fast, although vaccaro plays faster than he timed. Bush is a pretty fast safety but that's it.
We also need speed at the PR KR positions. We're pathetic there

Utah_Saint 01-20-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 574925)
although vaccaro plays faster than he timed. Bush is a pretty fast safety but that's it.

That may be why Bush/Vaccaro seemed like such a good combination on the field. Their play may compliment each others.

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2014 06:31 PM

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Strief is not a good run blocker....his knees are shot and he doesn't get around the field very well. Losing him would not be an issue, however, not bringing in speedy receivers is also an issue.

jeanpierre 01-20-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 574833)
It all starts with the five guys up front.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 574815)
Not necessarily faster but more physical. Receivers don't have to be fast to create separation, it's all in route running and being able to get off a jam at the LOS.

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SaintsBro 01-21-2014 01:38 PM

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If you just do the simple EYEBALL TEST, and look at the other 4 teams that were playing this past weekend, or the 8 last weekend, then you can see that the Saints desperately need more speed. Kick returns, DB coverage, WR's, RB's, gunners on punts -- speed and quickness is needed all over the place. Youth movement starts NOW if this team wants to stay competitive. We are trending towards slow and long in the tooth.

As Danno said about one of our players, we have a lot of guys who are "not slow, but certainly not fast." That is NOT good enough anymore at the playoff level.

UK_WhoDat 01-22-2014 01:04 PM

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Certainly - we do need to be faster on offense. Faster with the ball. Faster without the ball. And more physical too.

I would like a no-huddle offense too.

Danno 01-22-2014 01:25 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
Its no shocking revelation that teams want to get bigger, stronger and faster every year.

When I compare our team to other really elite teams (yes, we are elite), I sense a lack of speed specifically at WR, OLB, ILB and FS.

If Morgan could stay healthy, he'd upgrade WR speed.

OLB is unimpressive. Galette is fine, but he's more of a DE/OLB. Butler may help but it would be nice to have that heat seeking missle at OLB. You know, what we all hoped Martez Wilson would be.

ILB isn't so hot either. No one has ever accused Lofton of being fast. Hawthorne is adequate but I'd love some more speed there too.

FS - we're slow. Other teams FS's seem to move as fast as CB's. Ours look like they're in the box SS's. Maybe its just the ole grass is green complex, but we sure look like we're behind other teams a tad on the speed meter.

halloween 65 01-22-2014 02:09 PM

Re: Saints Offense has to get faster next year
 
I would love to beef up the O-line and blow out opposing D's with the run game. It opens up so much. I would add a burner WR to the list and depending on the Graham thing goes maybe a TE. If we can run the ball at will Brees could breath alot easier and not take so many hits, knockdowns, hurries and sacks. It also would give him more time in the pocket to cut down on int's. and poor judgement getting the ball downfield.

Saintaintso 01-22-2014 03:13 PM

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4 or 8 ... If we run the ball from here on out we get at best 6 - 8 more years of Brees

If we keep throwing it waring on his shoulder 50 times per game we'd be lucky if he's even recognizable ( physical ability ) after the next 3 years ..

Sp should look at it as Brees only has a certain number of throws left on him , conserve them and use them wisely ... As far as drafting a successor we should do so in 2018 , Brees is 35 , in 2018 he'll be 39 looking for an Elway exit ...

Saintaintso 01-22-2014 03:15 PM

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I'm sorry draft the successor in 2016 , gives him two or three developmental ...


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