Who to cut (cap hits included)

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation:

15.3 mil over the cap now.

+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)

+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)

+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)

+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)

+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth

+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings

+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.

That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.

Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need.

Sign 7 draft picks
Practice squad
Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

blackangold · 01-27-2014, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need.

Sign 7 draft picks
Practice squad
Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

I added all of that type of money.. unless you think I undersold it.

Danno · 01-27-2014, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation:

15.3 mil over the cap now.
+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)
+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)
+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)
+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)
+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth
+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings
+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.

That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.

Kinda depressing when you put it that way.

Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up.

blackangold · 01-27-2014, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Kinda depressing when you put it that way.

Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up.

Yeah, I know...

I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can.

Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year.

SapperSaint · 01-27-2014, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need.

Sign 7 draft picks
Practice squad
Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

I think I'm gonna vomit

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 02:57 PM

From something i posted in another thread.

Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space...

Danno · 01-27-2014, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Yeah, I know...

I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can.

Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year.

Evans, Grubbs, Colston, PRobinson and Bunkley can be restructured as well.

Thanks for looking up those replacement costs. I was going to do that too but didn't have the time.

I'd guess we'll probably have room for 2 big free-agent signings, Graham and Strief are my two choices. Bush is a RFA so we can tender him low.

Danno · 01-27-2014, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

From something i posted in another thread.

Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space...

Drastic times...

Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year.

Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps.

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Drastic times...

Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year.

Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps.

Crap, your right.... Only caveat being that if it's after June 1st it's divided out over 2 years.

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 04:40 PM

By the by, cutting Bunkley, which would be a huge mistake from a personnel standpoint, would only save $1,275,000 of his $6,112,500 cap number - so in both cases, that's a mistake...

Cutting Pierre Thomas would save significantly more, $2,900,000, but that's a bargain for his production and I'd hate to see the best screen back in football leave...

Sproles may be vulnerable as of his 2014 salaray cap number, $4,250,000, a savings of $3,500,000 would be earned...

If Lance Moore were released we'd save $2,531,250, just under half of his $5,068,750 salary cap number...

Now that Mark Ingram is progressing, is younger, and may have found his rhythm with the Saints, I'd had to cut hims as of his cap number of $2,359,875, we'd only save $1,386,375...

Malcolm Jenkins is another cap casualty candidate as his $1,644,000 cap number could be recovered...

Jabari Greer is another only other player that may be vulnerable as the Saints would recover $3,175,000 of his 2014 number of $5,825,000...

Most of the other players would either represent small savings or releasing them would accelerate cap hits and cost more for 2014...

Source: OvertheCap.com

01-27-2014, 02:48 PM	#91
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold How much cap room do we really need to free up? Well lets see (my approximation: 15.3 mil over the cap now. +6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower) +3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum) +3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack) +2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start) +1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth +3.5 mil for all draft pick signings +2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season. That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted: Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil.. Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please. Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need. Sign 7 draft picks Practice squad Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

01-27-2014, 02:49 PM	#92
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need. Sign 7 draft picks Practice squad Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury. I added all of that type of money.. unless you think I undersold it.

01-27-2014, 02:50 PM	#93
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold How much cap room do we really need to free up? Well lets see (my approximation: 15.3 mil over the cap now. +6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower) +3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum) +3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack) +2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start) +1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth +3.5 mil for all draft pick signings +2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season. That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted: Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil.. Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please. Kinda depressing when you put it that way. Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up.

01-27-2014, 02:53 PM	#94
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Kinda depressing when you put it that way. Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up. Yeah, I know... I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can. Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year.

01-27-2014, 02:55 PM	#95
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need. Sign 7 draft picks Practice squad Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury. I think I'm gonna vomit

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01-27-2014, 02:57 PM	#96
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) From something i posted in another thread. Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space...

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold Yeah, I know... I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can. Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year. Evans, Grubbs, Colston, PRobinson and Bunkley can be restructured as well. Thanks for looking up those replacement costs. I was going to do that too but didn't have the time. I'd guess we'll probably have room for 2 big free-agent signings, Graham and Strief are my two choices. Bush is a RFA so we can tender him low.

01-27-2014, 03:04 PM	#98
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak From something i posted in another thread. Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space... Drastic times... Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year. Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps.

01-27-2014, 03:13 PM	#99
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Drastic times... Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year. Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps. Crap, your right.... Only caveat being that if it's after June 1st it's divided out over 2 years.

01-27-2014, 04:40 PM	#100
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) By the by, cutting Bunkley, which would be a huge mistake from a personnel standpoint, would only save $1,275,000 of his $6,112,500 cap number - so in both cases, that's a mistake... Cutting Pierre Thomas would save significantly more, $2,900,000, but that's a bargain for his production and I'd hate to see the best screen back in football leave... Sproles may be vulnerable as of his 2014 salaray cap number, $4,250,000, a savings of $3,500,000 would be earned... If Lance Moore were released we'd save $2,531,250, just under half of his $5,068,750 salary cap number... Now that Mark Ingram is progressing, is younger, and may have found his rhythm with the Saints, I'd had to cut hims as of his cap number of $2,359,875, we'd only save $1,386,375... Malcolm Jenkins is another cap casualty candidate as his $1,644,000 cap number could be recovered... Jabari Greer is another only other player that may be vulnerable as the Saints would recover $3,175,000 of his 2014 number of $5,825,000... Most of the other players would either represent small savings or releasing them would accelerate cap hits and cost more for 2014... Source: OvertheCap.com
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