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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Euphoria Keep dreaming people... All the Rb's are coming back. Will Smith is gone. Lance Moore I figure he will take a hair cut and Harper will have to settle for low number as well or he'd ...

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Old 02-05-2014, 01:27 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by Euphoria View Post
Keep dreaming people...

All the Rb's are coming back. Will Smith is gone. Lance Moore I figure he will take a hair cut and Harper will have to settle for low number as well or he'd be gone. He may also have to settle for a back up role.
There you have it.... Everyone is coming back except for Smith. The league will extend the roster to 60 so we can sign our draft picks and ignore us being 30 million over the cap.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:58 PM   #132
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What do we need 40m for? 9m for Jimmy Graham but what is the remaining 31m for?

Probably do not need 9m for Jimmy either.

i would do Jimmy's contract line this.
60m for 6 years (25m bonus and guaranteed, the rest spread out)
2014 4.1m bonus / 1m salary / 5.1m cap hit
2015 4.1m bonus / 2m salary / 6.1m cap hit
2016 4.1m bonus / 2m salary / 6.1m cap hit
2017 4.1m bonus / 5m salary / 9.1m cap hit
2018 4.1m bonus / 10m salary /14.1m total <----- Restructure or extend here.
2019 4.1m bonus / 15.4m salary / 19.1m total
Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation):

15.3 mil over the cap now.

+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)

+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)

+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)

+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)

+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth

+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings

+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.


That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.
That's what I came up with before. Not exact by any means.
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That's what I came up with before. Not exact by any means.
You lost me...
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:04 PM   #134
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screw it cut them all
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So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000

Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000

Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500
Well it looks like 5 out of the big 8 are now cut.
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I am ok with this shake up...

Some flaws I have seen is that we have a lot of small guys with speed but we were lacking in bulk and strength.

Time to start rebuilding with younger players and revamping in areas.
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Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut

gone - all base salaries over 5 mill
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000

Hang in there
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

Of the three i would say the least team impact player to cut
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

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Of the three i would say the least team impact player to cut
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500
Yes sir, we are already at year 3... time to show me what you got PRob or you could be next.
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Yes sir, we are already at year 3... time to show me what you got PRob or you could be next.
But at a relatively low 1.3 million in savings, I think its worth it to wait another season and see how he does under Ryan. IIRC he looked pretty good before getting hurt.
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