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TheOak 02-07-2014 10:33 AM

2013 New Orleans Saints Rookie Review: Wide Receiver Kenny Stills
 
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April 2013. Time for the NFL Draft. The New Orleans Saints were short on picks, and in desperate need of help on both defense and the O-line. That didn't stop PayLoo from picking up another offensive toy for the Sean and Brees aerial show, however. With four of their five draft picks, Benson's brain trust grabbed three defenders and an offensive lineman. But five rounds into the 2013 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints used their second-to-last pick to make Kenny Stills the 144th selection of the draft class.

Going into training camp, few people expected the rookie wide receiver to do much during the 2013 season. There was already plenty of competition among the diverse New Orleans receiving corps, most of which has had the luxury of working with Drew Brees for years. And there were others, like Nick Toon, who had already spent a year learning the system and were expected to get their shot before Stills. Even getting playing time would be an accomplishment for the University of Oklahoma rookie from Encinitas, California.

So how did Kenny Stills stack up? He was already selected three rounds earlier than his father had been 28 years earlier. But would he be able to make more of a name for himself than little-known Packers safety Ken Stills, Sr? With 1,696 players in the NFL (1,856 including practice squads), it can be difficult for even veterans to shine. So how much can really be expected of a rookie?

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exile 02-07-2014 11:36 AM

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Stills is great #2. We need a solid #1 to complement him and Drew will be able to complete passes with his eyes closed.

halloween 65 02-07-2014 11:38 AM

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Good read. I think he will be better this year.

Utah_Saint 02-07-2014 01:54 PM

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I'd like to see him lined up in the slot more, just to mix things up. I would guess his speed on slants would be tough for teams to contend with. Opposing slot defenders would have to be ready for Graham, Colston, Moore and Stills.

K Major 02-07-2014 02:24 PM

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Kenny S was surprisingly good last year. I actually expected Toon to have similar success.

Rugby Saint II 02-07-2014 02:45 PM

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I must be the only member not impressed with Stills. He doesn't fight for the ball he catches it with his chest not his outstretched arms.

Boutte 02-07-2014 04:31 PM

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John Jenkins is the forgotten man. I guess that's what happens when you play NT. Kinda sucks because I think a standout NT is one of the hardest positions to fill. WRs are a dime a dozen. That isn't meant to diminish Stills in any way.

Crusader 02-07-2014 04:37 PM

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Over the course of the 2013 season, Stills had 32 receptions for 641 yards, with four of them surpassing 50 yards each.
That is some fine stats for a rookie WR.

Danno 02-07-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 577414)
John Jenkins is the forgotten man. I guess that's what happens when you play NT. Kinda sucks because I think a standout NT is one of the hardest positions to fill. WRs are a dime a dozen. That isn't meant to diminish Stills in any way.

They certainly don't get all the love they deserve from us fans, but I'd imagine they get quite a bit from the coaches and players during film review.

Schmohams 02-07-2014 09:19 PM

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John Jenkins shined bright when Bunkley got hurt. Then he kinda drifted away when he came back.

The Dude 02-07-2014 09:59 PM

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I think we found another gem there. Loved his play coming off out his rookie season. I did not see that coming. I think he will be another Colton type find.

iceshack149 02-08-2014 12:43 PM

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It will be an interesting camp battle. Stills filled Joseph Morgan's spot after Morgan was lost for the season.
I doubt Meachem will be back and I don't know what's going on with Moore and Toon.

I feel that Stills had an exceptional year for a 5th round rookie.

brees84 02-08-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 577403)
I must be the only member not impressed with Stills. He doesn't fight for the ball he catches it with his chest not his outstretched arms.



That preseason one-handed catch against Houston was a thing of beauty. Deep ball, fighting with defender, one-handed catch over an defender and elegantly securing the football. Brees and Jordan went nuts on sideline.

Danno 02-08-2014 02:22 PM

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Stills performed like most first round receivers do. He's the best we've signed since Colston.

brees84 02-08-2014 02:56 PM

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Keenan Allen 71 rec 1046 yds 8 TDs 3rd round
DeAndre Hopkins 52 rec 802 yds 2 TDs 1st round
Kenny Stills 32 rec 641 yds 5 TDs 5th round
Terrance Williams 44 rec 736 yds 5 TDs 3rd round


Only Allen was significantly better than Stills and he was offensive rookie of the year candidate.

I excluded Patterson. (return game numbers)

dizzle88 02-08-2014 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 577494)
That preseason one-handed catch against Houston was a thing of beauty. Deep ball, fighting with defender, one-handed catch over an defender and elegantly securing the football. Brees and Jordan went nuts on sideline.

And 4 plays after that he faked jonathan joseph (pro bowl CB) out of his shoes for a TD

Stills is awesome

Jack Vegas 02-08-2014 11:23 PM

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Love this kid, think he can be a #1 someday.

TheOak 02-10-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 577403)
I must be the only member not impressed with Stills. He doesn't fight for the ball he catches it with his chest not his outstretched arms.


The "catch" is that he catches it...

And has the lowest drop rate of the entire team. Out of 111 Receivers in the league he is #3.

He is also 13th of all those receivers for percentage of passes thrown at him caught 69.6%.

11th in the league for yards after the catch per reception at 6.1.

You may be the only football fan not impressed with his play for a rookie.

dizzle88 02-10-2014 04:54 PM

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Plus brees is obviously comfortable throwing to him

when we needed a spark stills tended to produce it

70 yard TD vs buffalo
70 yard TD vs bucs
50 yard TD vs dallas

i think he's awesome

triman 02-19-2014 04:57 PM

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Big John Jenkins was a great pick in the third rd. It is the rare man of size that is as nimble as he is .He will continue to improve with experience and pro training. Big part of our improving DEFENSE. Saints may add another DT in the draft and show BUNKLEY the door . BUNKLEY gets paid too much for his limited production.

Rugby Saint II 02-19-2014 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 577639)
The "catch" is that he catches it...

And has the lowest drop rate of the entire team. Out of 111 Receivers in the league he is #3.

He is also 13th of all those receivers for percentage of passes thrown at him caught 69.6%.

11th in the league for yards after the catch per reception at 6.1.

You may be the only football fan not impressed with his play for a rookie.

Give me another year to come around..........I might just have to rethink that. :p
My concern is that he catches most passes with his body. Maybe another good year of coaching will fix that.

TheOak 02-20-2014 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 578665)
Give me another year to come around..........I might just have to rethink that. :p
My concern is that he catches most passes with his body. Maybe another good year of coaching will fix that.

If it is not broken, do not fix it. So you seriously would rather his drop rate go up so he can catch passes with his hands away from his body and allow the ball to get stripped or just knocked out (see Seattle games).

No thanks.

Ever thought that just maybe he is fast enough to get his whole body there?

billyt81 03-28-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 577403)
I must be the only member not impressed with Stills. He doesn't fight for the ball he catches it with his chest not his outstretched arms.

You are not alone. I do not like what I've seen from Kenny so far. He can run and we desperately need speed at WR. Colston and Moore are surely two of the slowest WR in the NFL. Stills looks scared to me. I recently posted similar comments on a thread about Joe Morgan who looks to play with reckless abandon to me and I was trashed by the forum and someone posted his 2013 highlights which included mostly him catching the ball wide open on fade routes and exactly zero catches across the middle. I'm sure he'll improve but can you learn to be brave? I don't remember that ever happening. I think that's who he is.

billyt81 03-28-2014 05:58 PM

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Colston was a 7th round pick. Stills- 2nd round. And they are nothing alike? So I guess you're saying he'll be good because that would be the only way they're alike. And I am pessimistic about his chances of holding a candle to Colston who will soon hold nearly all of the Saints receiving records as well as being the Saints all time TD leader.

Danno 03-28-2014 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 585887)
Colston was a 7th round pick. Stills- 2nd round. And they are nothing alike? So I guess you're saying he'll be good because that would be the only way they're alike. And I am pessimistic about his chances of holding a candle to Colston who will soon hold nearly all of the Saints receiving records as well as being the Saints all time TD leader.

Wow, you truly don't have a clue.

dizzle88 03-28-2014 06:20 PM

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Stills was a 5th rounder and what most consider to be an absolute steal, I agree with general consensus, stills played awesome

|Mitch| 03-28-2014 06:20 PM

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billyt81 03-29-2014 11:56 PM

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Damn I didn't realize we got him in the 5th round. That is great value in a late round like Colston. Is thinking a guy was a 2nd instead of 5th round pick not having a clue? We'll see how Stills does next year but I predict he does not start every game next year and comes in on 3 receiver sets. I've been dogged a lot for doubting Stills but NO ONE will go out on a limb and predict anything for him next year. Will another 30 catch season still have the Forum salivating? I see a WR who can run a nice fade route but not much more.

rezburna 03-30-2014 12:50 AM

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Stills was a steal. The numbers say it all. And the whole catch with your hands thing is overrated. Just catch it.

dizzle88 03-30-2014 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 586044)
Damn I didn't realize we got him in the 5th round. That is great value in a late round like Colston. Is thinking a guy was a 2nd instead of 5th round pick not having a clue? We'll see how Stills does next year but I predict he does not start every game next year and comes in on 3 receiver sets. I've been dogged a lot for doubting Stills but NO ONE will go out on a limb and predict anything for him next year. Will another 30 catch season still have the Forum salivating? I see a WR who can run a nice fade route but not much more.

Thats all you see?

I see a guy that burned darelle revis
A guy that caught what should have been the winning TD pass between 2 defenders in new england
caught a pass one handed behind someones back and then faked a pro bowl CB out of his shoes for a TD

I only saw him run one fade route all season and brees overthrew it, yeah stills ran a lot of deep routes but he also was used on a lot of crossing routes

plus - a rookie leading the league in yards per reception and having one of the best catch rates in the NFL, whats not to be excited about?

Schmohams 03-30-2014 04:58 PM

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I think Billyt81 may be Nick Toon, just sayin

hagan714 03-30-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 577492)
It will be an interesting camp battle. Stills filled Joseph Morgan's spot after Morgan was lost for the season.
I doubt Meachem will be back and I don't know what's going on with Moore and Toon.

I feel that Stills had an exceptional year for a 5th round rookie.

i do not see much of a battle. kenny is not a mad streaker running down the field like morgan. morgan does not run the middle of the field like kenny.

both on the field at the same time is a very nice complement.

hagan714 03-30-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 586104)
I think Billyt81 may be Nick Toon, just sayin


tell ya what if toon wakes up this can be a nice start to rebuilding the wr corp. as of now toon is on the bubble. drops get you cut

nycsaintfan 03-30-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 586052)
Thats all you see?

I see a guy that burned darelle revis
A guy that caught what should have been the winning TD pass between 2 defenders in new england
caught a pass one handed behind someones back and then faked a pro bowl CB out of his shoes for a TD

I only saw him run one fade route all season and brees overthrew it, yeah stills ran a lot of deep routes but he also was used on a lot of crossing routes

plus - a rookie leading the league in yards per reception and having one of the best catch rates in the NFL, whats not to be excited about?

I'd like to see both Stills and Colston used in the slot more often this season. But, I agree with your assessment of Stills. I think he can still improve, but I'm not sure if his ceiling is that much higher than where he is now. With that said I think he will be as productive or more productive than say Devery was as our number 2 receiver moving forward.

TheOak 03-31-2014 10:38 AM

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Stills ceiling is a little higher than most feel. Not that I think he becomes amazingly better in 2014 than he was in 2013, but Payton will have something to game plan around and optimize his usage.

In 2013 he tied Meachem and lead the team in YPC @ 20. In YAC/reception (Yards after catch) he lead the team @ 6.1, Meachem 5.1, Graham 4.9, Colston 3.2..

Bottom line is that Stills is as productive as hell when thrown to, he has proven that of all of our receivers he gains the most yards after the catch.

halloween 65 03-31-2014 10:59 AM

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For a 5th round pick he has did real well, being in this system another season he will only get more comfortable and better. Stills is hungry and thats a good thing.

TheOak 03-31-2014 01:57 PM

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I keep hearing that Stills doesn't have Morgan speed... Or that Morgan possesses great speed that no one else on the team has.

Can someone explain that interpretation? I must be reading the numbers wrong, but isn't lower faster?:dunce:
K. Stills 4.32 40yd / 2.49 20yd
J. Morgan 4.4 40yd / 2.61 20 yd

Danno 03-31-2014 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 586183)
I keep hearing that Stills doesn't have Morgan speed... Or that Morgan possesses great speed that no one else on the team has.

Can someone explain that interpretation? I must be reading the numbers wrong, but isn't lower faster?:dunce:
K. Stills 4.32 40yd / 2.49 20yd
J. Morgan 4.4 40yd / 2.61 20 yd

I was guilty. I thought Stills had 4.5'ish speed until one of our esteemed members smacked me upside the head with that 4.32 stat.

He's fast.

TheOak 03-31-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586184)
I was guilty. I thought Stills had 4.5'ish speed until one of our esteemed members smacked me upside the head with that 4.32 stat.



He's fast.


It's not one source..... I've heard it multiple times from multiple sources. I commented once in the Morgan thread but it fell on deaf ears.

Fastest guy on the team with the least drops in 2013 his rookie season. That combination is very difficult to not find huge value and upside in.

Boutte 03-31-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 586186)
It's not one source..... I've heard it multiple times from multiple sources. I commented once in the Morgan thread but it fell on deaf ears.

Fastest guy on the team with the least drops in 2013 his rookie season. That combination is very difficult to not find huge value and upside in.

Apparently not that difficult. A guy could score forty TDs in a season for us somebody here would criticize him for not being a good pass blocker or some stupid ****.


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