Stallworth
 

Where is the LSU boy Henderson?? He has to have learned the system by now. Since Stallworth is such a bust, why not move Henderson to #3 receiver and Pathon up to #2, which he deserves. Bench Stallworth since he really doesn't make a difference anyway.

Stallworth
 

I agree...all the off season conditioning has kept him healthy....but...HOW BOUT CATCHING THE DAMN BALL!!!...........#19 should be given a chance....and Pathon has shown nothing but HEART.......................can someone see if Poole still wants to play.....or maybe Quin Early is in town..... :o ....when will the owner realize that this is not a track meet...and we actually have to CATCH THE BALL!!!!..... :P

[Edited on 11/11/2004 by CHACHING]

Stallworth
 

Frankly, I don\'t think Stallworth has played all that poorly. I think he\'s continued to sell out when he gets led into monster hits. I don\'t blame the guy for dropping a few - you might too if you were having balls coming at you at 80 miles an hour, often way up in the air, from 7 yards away, and you\'d been drilled in the head thanks to a QB who likes to run his WRs into safeties half a dozen times a game. Honestly, I might hear footsteps too.

Stallworth shouldn\'t be running quick slants. He needs to be in space and sprinting under bombs. I blame most of his failures this season to a coaching staff that can\'t figure out how to use its weapons and a QB who can\'t throw the types of balls Stallworth needs to get.

Stallworth
 

Where\'s that guy from Seattle that was talking trash at the beginning of the season? I saw \"The Hit\" this past weekend, and you could plainly see where Hamlin\'s whole body went limp immediately afterwards, backing Stallworth\'s claim that Ken did receive the worst of it. Still was a helluva hit.
How often do we throw the long ball? This is not a verticle offense, which takes away the need for speed. Henderson would not help at this moment.

[Edited on 11/11/2004 by BlackandBlue]

Stallworth
 

Agree with BnB. Stallworth is supposed to be a deep threat, but the play calling never sends him deep. Also, yea catch it when it comes to you, but Brooks hasn\'t really been throwing 83\'s way.

Stallworth
 

cant send anyone deep without protection. n we dont get any.

Stallworth
 

The production of Stallworth and Henderson is a direct result of COACHING under utilizing their strengths. A VERY GOOD COACH will take advantage of that. Yes Stallworth drops a few but I think that’s because the routes he runs sometimes gets him killed and than he make a spectacular one hand grab. If Henderson is slow learning the playbook – take what he knows and have at it. This is a perfect example of the Saints GREAT coaching staff and how they use first round picks!!!!! They disgust me!!!!!

PS: Protection for Brooks needs to some part of this equation

Stallworth
 

What I wonder is, I see qbs like Carr and Leftwich getting creamed and still throwing it deep. I have yet to see David Carr stand in a pocket and have all day to throw the ball, yet he still gets it deep. Houston\'s pass protection is just as shoddy as ours. What\'s the deal? It has to be the coaches not being willing to sell out for the big play. And since I live in Texas now I see Houston a lot so I know their pass protection is horrible.

Stallworth
 

It is very hard to have a vertical offense if the safeties don\'t need to worry about defending the run. They can just cover deep all day.
With that said I do believe Stallworth has been playing that poorly. He was the first receiver taken at 13th in 2002. Has he lived up to that?!
Ashley Lelie, and Javon Walker were taken 19 and 20 in 2002, and compare their play to our boy.
Yes I\'m being hard on Stallworth, but why shouldn\'t I.
Just because we\'re Saints fans doesn\'t mean we have to settle for mediocrity from our highly touted players.

Stallworth
 

That\'s tru fact-o-bake but the players you mentions have better offensive cordinators that are agrressive enough to take those shots down field

Stallworth
 

You\'re talking about QB\'s with guts and talent ... doesn\'t apply here ...

Stallworth
 

Point taken mutineer.

Stallworth
 

Is that due to the offensive line, Brooks\' inability to decide where to throw the ball, or a combination of the two?
Throwing two quick passes a game doesn\'t mean you\'re good at it.

Stallworth
 

Why aren\'t we running more Wide Receiver screens to stallworth? oh yeah that\'s right Brooks can\'t execute a screen no matter where it\'s called. Seriously, in the Minnesota game they threw something resembling this, it might have been a two yard in-pattern, point being they got it to him quickly, he did this shimmy and then ripped it inside. This should be called more often in short and medium yardage situations no? It doesn\'t prey on his weakness (catching) yet even Iron hands Aaron can connect on this short pass, plus most defenses are going to be pressing in these situations, which seems to favor him turning a quick move a heading for daylight.

Stallworth
 

WHAT did you just say? Throw MORE WR screens? How about get a big physical WR who can break a tackle and then we throw a WR screen. A speedy WR doesnt run a great screen. We have run way to many of them where we get 3 yards and he gets ankle tackled... If he was bigger and stronger he could break that tackle and take it for a big gain. He just doesnt do that... I agree that play could work, but I dont blame us for not running it more often. When you run a play again and again and it doesnt work you got to start looking for sumthing else. Maybe fake a screen and then run a go route... get the saftey to bite on the screen and then let Stallworth run by him...

We have to make use of his strenghts... that is the deep ball. We dont... Who is to blame the coaching... I think if we went to him more often on deep routes then he could run a curl or and cross and the safety would have to respect the deep ball and he could settle in the middle and not get blasted so much... since we never go deep the saftey sits in the middle waiting to clean his clock and Stallworth knows this and his drops prove he has more on his mind than catching the ball... We have to make the game simple... catch it and drop like the Rams do in the middle. Just catch the ball... but when the safety is waiting to lay you out before you catch the ball that makes things alot harder...

Just my opinion...

Stallworth
 

Speaking of Donte...

Saints | Stallworth Demoted to No. 3 WR
Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:53:22 -0800
Jeff Duncan, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports New Orleans Saints WR Donte\' Stallworth has been demoted to the No. 3 receiver on the team\'s depth chart.

Stallworth
 

We haven\'t done much of anything right this year. Can\'t blame one guy. Hey, at least we still have the Dolphins to laugh at :D .

Stallworth
 

The right QB, the right O-coordinator, the right O-line coach, and an inside threat (which I think Talman Gardner could be), and Henderson and Stallworth could score 1000 points a year.

Unfortunately, our system calls for short dump offs, we don\'t run Deuce out of the spread so he never gets going, the only thing that happens in the middle of the field is a TE dropping a pass or a WR getting led into a monster hit, our O-line isn\'t blocking my grandma right now, and our QB throws the ball backwards at tackles. Dunno if you can blame Stallworth for that.


PS - I think all this talk of Henderson is pretty stupid - especially when compared to Stallworth. Stallworth had 5 TDs in the first 5 games of his rookie season. Even after being hurt for nearly half the season Stallworth had 40+ receptions, nearly 500 yards, and 8 TDs. That\'s not bad for half a year\'s work, huh? Meanwhile, Henderson can\'t even find his way into a uniform on gameday. Let\'s all put that into perspective next time we want to label Stallworth a bust and proclaim Henderson teh answer to all our problems. ;)

Stallworth
 

Several times Deuce has lined up in the backfield and shifted to wideout. I haven\'t seen every play of every game, but I don\'t recall him ever being a target for a pass. Has he been thrown to when more than 5 yards down field ever? Seems to me that a 10 yard drag would work well when he lines up like that. Why not use it?

Stallworth
 

I couldn\'t agree more with Who here.

1. Stallworth is hardly as bad as people keep claiming. He\'s being used improperly. Granted, he has had more than his share of tough times catching the ball. However, it is our O-coordinator who is really sucking it up. Also, by now, the level of demoralization on the team is rampant - finger pointing is soon to follow. Fire Haz and the coordinators NOW, and we\'ll see some immediate improvement.

2. I hope I\'m wrong about this, but a WR who can\'t even make it onto the special teams is not worth our getting even the remotest level of excited about. All we heard in training camp is this: needs to work on his hand and route running. Well, Stallworth only has to work on one of those, at most. I too am sick of hearing about giving so and so a chance; all this will do is further demoralize the guys who are good and lower our chances of not looking like complete carp on the field next week.

Bah.