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Old 02-12-2014, 10:43 PM   #41
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Sorry to be Sally Sourpuss, but we still don't have a starting center or starting right tackle under contract right now...
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:33 AM   #42
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Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Jack, you're being hard on Smith.

The guy was above average and healthy throughout his career. Charles Grant, however, was a waste of space.
He was average at best only produced 2 double digit sack seasons better run stopper than pass rusher
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Sorry to be Sally Sourpuss, but we still don't have a starting center or starting right tackle under contract right now...
Harris at RT... Lelito at OC.

Our CBs did fine without Greer. 4th best passing D tells me we have some talent there. That being said i wouldn't mund a CB in the first round.
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:15 AM   #44
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Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

All four of them were great for us at one time in their careers. They helped take this franchise places it had never been before. Even thou it was time I still sad to see them go. I wish them all the best, except if they sign with the Falcons.

Who Dat!
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:05 AM   #45
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Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

Originally Posted by ScottF View Post
So, if they are cut by us today, when is the date we can resign... June 1 or later?

We could sign him when ever we want to, we just signed Dawson to an extension.

We won't though. If you look at Greers contract, he didn't need to be cut to gain near 3m in cap space, all he had to do was agree to a lower salary.

It appears he himself chose to hit the market.

The numbers:

If Greer played for vet minimum (10 years) he would have made roughly 1.46m in 2014, and reduced his cap hit from 5.8m to 2.875m an estimated 2.9m in relief. Cutting him only saved us 2.6m in cap space.

So cutting him was not the teams choice, and he could have easily restructured for less, he wants more money.

We did not gut Greer to resign him for less.

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Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.
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Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

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Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.
Its a good start but we still have to sign Graham, Strief, DLP, Bush, a Kicker, Meachem or Morgan, Haralson, Collins, Harris...

I expect a few more surprises pretty soon.
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Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.
Should we expect Lance Moore or Pierre Thomas to be the next cap casualty?
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Should we expect Lance Moore or Pierre Thomas to be the next cap casualty?
I'm hoping we're trying to restructure most of the remaining high priced guys. Which is fine as long as it doesn't hurt us more down the road.
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Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

I think the easier cuts have been made, the rest may be a restructure or go scenario. We have a lot of higher salary lower bonus scenarios where a cut in salary or extension with resturcuture would help.

Brees - 18.4m cap / 10.7m salary
Evans - 11m cap / 6.8m salary
Grubbs - 9.1m / 6m in salary
Sproles - 4.2m cap / 3.4m in salary
Colston - 8.3m cap / 5.5m salary
Bunkley 6m cap / 4.4m salary
Moore - 5m cap / 3.1m salary
Thomas - 2.9m cap / 2.9m salary

If each took a 1m salary cut, all would still pull roughly 2m in salary for 2014 but it would free up 8m, +3m in space from previous cuts and we have 11m in cap space.

Not sure how this will play out, I know if I am Loomis I have my schedule book for the next two days bringing them in 1 at a time and give them a choice. "Help us lower our cap, or we will help you find a new home".

Be patient, we still have a month to get under the cap and that is only for the top 51.

2014 may just be the season where 25% of the jerseys change names.

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