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papz 02-13-2014 06:39 PM

New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham mum on tight end/wide receiver debate as contract talks remain slow
 
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New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham pulled a Switzerland and remained neutral Thursday afternoon when asked if he considers himself a tight end or wide receiver.

"That's not for me to decide," Graham said at an adidias charity event with New Orleans Pelicans guard Eric Gordon in the French Quarter. "I'm going to do, and I'm going to play, whatever I'm asked to do. It's that simple."

The debate is a primary negotiating point for Graham and the Saints this offseason when it comes to hammering out a long-term contract and even a probable franchise tag designation for the top free agent in the NFL.

When asked where he currently stands on his contract talks with the Saints, Graham said, "For me, I'm just standing. I take everyday one day at a time. I'm just going to wait and see what happens because that's where it's at."

Graham added he's unsure how long it will take for his contract stalemate to come to a resolution, but he's not anxious "at all" going into an offseason of uncertainty.

"I'll be ready like I always will be," Graham said.

Read more: New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham mum on tight end/wide receiver debate as contract talks remain slow | NOLA.com

Danno 02-13-2014 06:54 PM

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PAY THE MAN!!!! :rolleyes:

The above is sarcasm for those who don't know that "Pay The Man" may be the dumbest statement ever uttered by sports fans... just a notch below "Go Falcons"

st thomas 02-13-2014 09:31 PM

Re: New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham mum on tight end/wide receiver debate as contract talks remain slow
 
pay him in between the 2 categories. case settled. bam, gavel drops.

halloween 65 02-14-2014 05:46 AM

Re: New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham mum on tight end/wide receiver debate as contract talks remain slow
 
Tag him let other teams give up picks or he plays for tag money, it's not like it's chump change. It's no way I would let him hamstung this team that wants to win. There is a window here!!

TheOak 02-14-2014 06:59 AM

Re: New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham mum on tight end/wide receiver debate as contract talks remain slow
 
He is worth more than the TE tag but not worth the WR tag.

Meet him in the middle or let him walk.

rezburna 02-14-2014 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 578125)
He is worth more than the TE tag but not worth the WR tag.

Meet him in the middle or let him walk.

Correct. If he's listed as a WR, he isn't even top 10 at the position in my opinion. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Josh Gordon, Demaryius Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jefferey, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Roddy White, just to name a few (lol), are all better RECEIVERS then Graham.

SaintsBro 02-14-2014 11:38 AM

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This is gonna be like the Brees thing was. It's actually an interesting legal point that has ramifications for other players down the road, so I would not be surprised at all to see this end up in arbitration over the TE vs WR tag price and go all the way to the end of the line. It will come to that, and then once the decision comes down, I see a deal being struck within a matter of days -- just like it was in the Brees deal where Brees pretty much HAD to appeal the franchise tag he was given, because (a) it was so many potential millions of dollars on the table and (b) because the decision the ruling would make, had an impact on other players who may someday find themselves in the same situation.

Euphoria 02-14-2014 01:50 PM

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Its good to see Graham handling this in the right way.

Just be quiet about it and let it play out. No sense in throwing sides under the buss and causing a stir just let the business side take care of it. This doesn't need to be negotiated through the media.

Brandon428 02-14-2014 02:01 PM

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It's a shame how greedy NFL players are these days. I can appreciate someone wanting to get paid a fair amount,but the money some of these guys are getting could last me 20 life times!

Euphoria 02-14-2014 02:05 PM

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I think you can make the case that he is in the top 10 WR's. Certainly has the TD's to prove it. Just outside of the mark in receptions.

Rugby Saint II 02-14-2014 02:31 PM

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He is a tight end that his coach lines up at multiple positions.

NOLA54 02-14-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon428 (Post 578163)
It's a shame how greedy NFL players are these days. I can appreciate someone wanting to get paid a fair amount,but the money some of these guys are getting could last me 20 life times!

BRAVO!

Danno 02-14-2014 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon428 (Post 578163)
It's a shame how greedy NFL players are these days. I can appreciate someone wanting to get paid a fair amount,but the money some of these guys are getting could last me 20 life times!

Greedy for wanting to get paid what market value says you're worth?

I disagree. Its not greedy at all. Its the free market.

Halo 02-14-2014 05:12 PM

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I'm willing to pay him top dollar as a tight end when he learns how to block somebody. Until then, he's a glorified receiver. Injury or not, he was shut down after the Patriots game and became a regular corp receiver.

I'm looking for tag status here. Not gonna be popular but Tom Brady and the Patriots made it to the AFC championship game with a group of no-name receivers all season long. If it doesn't work with Graham, there will be another. We're BIG TIME over salary cap and that has to come down somewhere.

Danno 02-14-2014 05:50 PM

Re: New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham mum on tight end/wide receiver debate as contract talks remain slow
 
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 578189)
I'm willing to pay him top dollar as a tight end when he learns how to block somebody. Until then, he's a glorified receiver. Injury or not, he was shut down after the Patriots game and became a regular corp receiver.

I'm looking for tag status here. Not gonna be popular but Tom Brady and the Patriots made it to the AFC championship game with a group of no-name receivers all season long. If it doesn't work with Graham, there will be another. We're BIG TIME over salary cap and that has to come down somewhere.

I hear over and over that Drew Brees makes his O-linemen and WR's look much better than they actually are.

No one really says that about Graham.

Just an observation.

exile 02-14-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 578191)
I hear over and over that Drew Brees makes his O-linemen and WR's look much better than they actually are.



No one really says that about Graham.



Just an observation.


That's because they make each other look better.

Danno 02-14-2014 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 578192)
That's because they make each other look better.

So is Graham really the best TE in the NFL? Or is Brees responsible for making a top 10 TE look like the best?

Would Graham be considered the best TE in the NFL if he was on the Cleveland Browns?

halloween 65 02-15-2014 05:49 AM

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Wonder what his stats would look like then? Or the pounding that he would take, he would have to toughen up then? If he leaves he better hope he gets on a contending team, because he might not do so well if he don"t. A product of our system is what he is.

OldMaid 02-15-2014 09:19 AM

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It takes some for both sides, Grahams' and Saints', to iron out all their wants and sticking points.
I can understand it being a slow process.

Graham is that good, young, and the Saints have invested time and money in developing him. He has invested time in this team and a team with many good players.
I trust Loomis and the Bensons, will work it out to keep him.
Why not try or want to after all the time in him. To get another guy and start all over, is a waste. A gamble. It always is.
For Graham to go to another team, one not so successful as these Saints, would not be good for him.

Utah_Saint 02-15-2014 12:26 PM

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The stats show that Graham is clearly a top 10 receiver. If the Saints don't want to pay him as one, another team will.

ansmith1975 02-17-2014 09:51 PM

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He's a damn tight end and he knows it! I have no problem with athletes getting they're due but to try and find a loophole to get more money? Jimmy you're not showing that you're a team player right now. You're not worth 11million buddy.I say tag him and trade him.

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