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Danno 11-12-2004 09:25 AM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
You know, I agree that we need a football man at GM, and Randy Meuller is probably a bit better than Mickey Loomis, but I think there are reasons why Meuller hasn't gotten a job yet. Lets re-cap some of Randy's less than stellar moves shall we.
Keep in mind my memory is a bit foggy so feel free to correct me. I believe he really only had two years of drafting and FA pick-ups.

Supposed big-name free agents brought in under Meuller...
David Sloan
Albert Connell
Grady Jackson
Norman Hand

Quality players leave under Randy's watch...
Willie Roaf
LeRoi Glover
Joe Johnson
Rickey Williams

Draft picks acquired under Randy Meuller. Although its not really fair to include 2000 since he had a 2nd, 4th, and the rest 5's thru 7's
Sedrick Hodge
Kenny Smith
Moran Norris
Michael Hawthorne
Oneme Ojo
Tutan Reyes
Austin Wheatley
Chad Morton

WhoDat 11-12-2004 10:59 AM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
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Supposed big-name free agents brought in under Meuller...
Uh - are you forgetting Brooks, Horn, Pathon?

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Draft picks acquired under Randy Meuller.
Deuce?
Stallworth?
Grant?
Bentley?
I think Mel Mitchel...

Danno 11-12-2004 11:06 AM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
Quote:

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Supposed big-name free agents brought in under Meuller...
Uh - are you forgetting Brooks, Horn, Pathon?

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Draft picks acquired under Randy Meuller.
Deuce?
Stallworth?
Grant?
Bentley?
I think Mel Mitchel...
It was a re-cap of his \"less than stellar moves\"
I think Stallworth Grant and Bentley were Loomis era. But I could be wrong. Loomis took over in 2002. 2002 and 2003 draft are his. 2000 and 2001 are Meuller.

Danno 11-12-2004 11:35 AM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
hey Tom,
Step 1 - Hire a solid GM
Step 2- Sit down, shut up and enjoy.

Cassady37 11-12-2004 02:48 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
Under Mueller and I can\'t say as I remember all the particulars, but I can remember sitting with my brother during draft day and saying, \" Finally, someone who drafts the positions we think we need on this team!\" That hasn\'t happened for a while now. And no, some of those positions didn\'t pan out but at least we took the shots where we needed them. And didn\'t Mueller head up the Ricky draft?

WhoDat 11-12-2004 03:15 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
If you want to credit Loomis with the 2002 draft go ahead. Mueller was fired like an hour before it started? ;)

I think that Mueller was a big part of Haslett\'s early success. More importantly, the forgotten man IMO seems to be Ron Zook. I think Zook impacted this team more than anyone else. His loss may have been the single biggest.

Danno 11-12-2004 03:30 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
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If you want to credit Loomis with the 2002 draft go ahead. Mueller was fired like an hour before it started? ;)

I think that Mueller was a big part of Haslett\'s early success. More importantly, the forgotten man IMO seems to be Ron Zook. I think Zook impacted this team more than anyone else. His loss may have been the single biggest.
Whoa, I\'m not taking up for Loomis over Mueller. I think Meuller was the better GM. I just think he had his fair share of screw-ups too. Ideally we should hire a GM better than both of them.
Phil Savage comes to mind as well as Pioli. Both would be a significant upgrade over Meuller and Loomis.
I wouldn\'t mind keeping Loomis around for his contract savvy though.

[Edited on 12/11/2004 by Danno]

blackwidows 11-12-2004 04:00 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
No Stallworth was Mueller Era.

Danno 11-12-2004 04:31 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
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No Stallworth was Mueller Era.
No, I thought Meuller was fired mid-way through 2001 because of the Ricky Williams deal where it was believed Benson was pisst at Meuller for not keeping him the loop.
Donte was drafted the year after that, 2002. Loomis, Rick, and Haz were the ones that drafted Donte/Grant etc.

BagHead 11-13-2004 11:24 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
I read somewhere that Meuller was getting paid for the remainder of his contract as long as he didn\'t take another GM job. And it\'s big money. Over 100k yearly I think. Not postive where but I recall reading it. And I think it ends this year. Look for Meuller to take a job this year. And by the way Finks (love him) made some mistakes too.

spkb25 11-14-2004 09:40 AM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
joe johnson left and has done nothing. the williams trade was one of the best ever especially cause the ****head doesnt even play any longer. he brought in deuce. brooks horn. they were pretty solid. i wish we had that guy back. he was good.

spkb25 11-14-2004 09:42 AM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
drafted deuce is what i meant when i said brought him in

bayouking318 11-14-2004 04:43 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 




It was a re-cap of his \"less than stellar moves\"
I think Stallworth Grant and Bentley were Loomis era. But I could be wrong. Loomis took over in 2002. 2002 and 2003 draft are his. 2000 and 2001 are Meuller. [/quote:b8925e8329]

Sorry But you are WRONG...

Here is the draft order for the NFL Draft, which will begin April 20, 2002. Please note that picks No. 21 through No. 32 will change based on playoff results.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0109/1308449.html

NEW ORLEANS (May 9, 2002) -- The New Orleans Saints dismissed general manager Randy Mueller, who was the 2000 NFL Executive of the Year for helping the franchise get its first playoff victory.

http://www.nfl.com/ce/multi/0,3783,5318544,00.html

Randy was fired after drafting 2002 considering the date he was fired. I clearly remember cuz I was wondering why Benson didn\'t just waited after he signed the two 1st rd picks, I guess I know why now with a GREAT bean counter like Loomis.

Saint78 11-14-2004 05:31 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
I believe the biggest loss from our coaching staff was a guy by the name of John Bunting, (LB\'s coach and Asst. Def. Coordinator) that left towards the end of the 2000 season to take the North Carolina job our D really started going down hill. And by the way he came back and was on our sideline for the 1st round playoff win against the Rams.

shadowdrinker_x 11-14-2004 07:10 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
isn\'t mueller working in bufallo now?

Saint78 11-14-2004 07:46 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
isn\'t mueller working in bufallo now?


ESPN last time I checked, I bet him and Ditka have had some interesting conversations.

subguy 11-14-2004 07:54 PM

Randy Mueller, A quality GM?
 
I totally agree with the Zook comment. Living in Fl. I have to deal with alot of obnoxious Gator fans, unlike us Canes fans. They were so enamored with Steve Superior that Zook never stood a chance. Maybe Zook will come back and Venturi can go to see the Wizard to get a brain. :doh:


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