Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag

03-03-2014, 12:09 PM

Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ...

Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...

Saintaintso · 03-03-2014, 12:12 PM

Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved ....

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ...

Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...

Do you bother to look up what you are saying? At all.... or do you just rationalize what you think with incorrect statements?

I looked at two games
Against the Jets:
Chromartie
Milner
Allen
Jarret

SF49
Whitner
Rogers
Brown
Brock

I suppose Talib is a CB/ILB for the Patriots?

TheOak · 03-03-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved ....

Like this?

He plays at wide out... why in the heck do you think there is all this TE/WR discussion?

saintfan · 03-03-2014, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

2^ Been repeating this for a while now. Know why we haven't heard of any team getting two first round picks for a NEFT?

Who in their right mind would give up $12m what it will take JG to sign an offer letter AND 2 FRDPs.

Mike Ditka wouldn't make that kind of deal.

As long as Jerry Jones is alive there's a chance.

Utah_Saint · 03-03-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ...

Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ...

Many times the Saints try to get Graham lined up against corners. He's too big for them to cover. That's why they usually cover him with linebackers and put a safety over the top most of the time. He's too big for most D-backs and too fast for most linebackers.

A few teams have the personnel to shut him down, but not many.

But I do think you're on to something when you say Colston would run free. In the New England game somebody else should've stepped up since Graham took their best CB. Toon blew it a couple of time. And in the Seattle playoff game, the attention Graham was getting was one of the reasons that Colston had the best game of any receiver last year in Seattle.

The Dude · 03-03-2014, 02:42 PM

Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays.
I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him
That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team.
Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player.

The Dude · 03-03-2014, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

The only player I can think of that had as much success elsewhere as they did here was Jonathan Goodwin, and maybe Reggie Bush.

And it could be said that at 10 million, Bush didn't exactly set the world on fire in Miami, and they dumped him after 2 seasons.

A lot have trades we have made of high profile players have made Loomis look like a genius. More often than not the player goes on to get injured or their play significantly drops. Look at Brown and Fujita. There are several more that I cannot recall right now but more often than not we get the better end of the deal. I trust the FO to get it done in a manner that will be best for the team.
Meach and Porter are two more.

Utah_Saint · 03-03-2014, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays.
I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him
That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team.
Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player.

I agree.

I just don't see how the team can afford him. We're only 8 million under the cap now (before Graham's signing) We still have to Streif, De La Puente, Bush, Haralson, or their replacements and our draft picks and more.

I know it's a long shot that another team trades two firsts but it's fun to imagine packaging two firsts and trading up and possibly getting one of the studs early in the first round two years in a row.

Saintaintso · 03-03-2014, 04:18 PM

getting coverage from corners occasionally and every single snap are two different things ... Don't twist what I said , if he wants elite WR money he better show up like one

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ... Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ... Do you bother to look up what you are saying? At all.... or do you just rationalize what you think with incorrect statements? I looked at two games Against the Jets: Chromartie Milner Allen Jarret SF49 Whitner Rogers Brown Brock I suppose Talib is a CB/ILB for the Patriots?

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Put him at wideout ... Those astronomical numbers would be halved .... Like this? He plays at wide out... why in the heck do you think there is all this TE/WR discussion? FeelTheBrees likes this.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Saintaintso Because letting stills and Colston run free would be even worse for them ... Are you telling me he's getting corners from the jump ? Lol he put those digits up against linebackers ... Many times the Saints try to get Graham lined up against corners. He's too big for them to cover. That's why they usually cover him with linebackers and put a safety over the top most of the time. He's too big for most D-backs and too fast for most linebackers. A few teams have the personnel to shut him down, but not many. But I do think you're on to something when you say Colston would run free. In the New England game somebody else should've stepped up since Graham took their best CB. Toon blew it a couple of time. And in the Seattle playoff game, the attention Graham was getting was one of the reasons that Colston had the best game of any receiver last year in Seattle.

03-03-2014, 02:42 PM	#57
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays. I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team. Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player. Utah_Saint likes this.
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03-03-2014, 02:45 PM	#58
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by Danno The only player I can think of that had as much success elsewhere as they did here was Jonathan Goodwin, and maybe Reggie Bush. And it could be said that at 10 million, Bush didn't exactly set the world on fire in Miami, and they dumped him after 2 seasons. A lot have trades we have made of high profile players have made Loomis look like a genius. More often than not the player goes on to get injured or their play significantly drops. Look at Brown and Fujita. There are several more that I cannot recall right now but more often than not we get the better end of the deal. I trust the FO to get it done in a manner that will be best for the team. Meach and Porter are two more. MarchingOn likes this.
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03-03-2014, 03:55 PM	#59
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could lose Jimmy Graham with non-exclusive tag Originally Posted by The Dude Jimmy does fine and puts up numbers on LB's and corners both. There is nothing wrong with his ability other than maybe being a little injury prone due to the way he plays. I think all this talk about trading him is just posturing by the team to try and get a deal done because they know he wants to be in New Orleans. I don't think the team is that serious about trading him That being said I think a trade WOULD be best for both parties. JG gets his money and we get two 1st round picks and save enough money to sign some immediate impact FA's. I think this scenario is best for the team. Lets not try and convince ourselves that he is not an elite player just so its easier to part with him. Whoever gets him will get their moneys worth. Unfortunately we just don't have the luxury of tying up that kind of money in another player. I agree. I just don't see how the team can afford him. We're only 8 million under the cap now (before Graham's signing) We still have to Streif, De La Puente, Bush, Haralson, or their replacements and our draft picks and more. I know it's a long shot that another team trades two firsts but it's fun to imagine packaging two firsts and trading up and possibly getting one of the studs early in the first round two years in a row.

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