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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Okay, we beat the Chiefs yet we still give up almost 200 yards to a back-up running back and over 300 to Trent Green. But we win. Cool. How many people wanna bet the Saints get the ever familiar big ...

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Old 11-14-2004, 03:34 PM   #1
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Okay, we beat the Chiefs yet we still give up almost 200 yards to a back-up running back and over 300 to Trent Green. But we win. Cool. How many people wanna bet the Saints get the ever familiar big head now and get it handed to them in the next game by Denver? Are the problems fixed? No. We just played a defense as terrible as ours and we came out on top. Brooks fumbled again and Boo fumbled, but we recovered them both. Glad to see McKenzie get an INT. Hope he wasn't covering Kennison all day. I almost found myself being glad we won, until I realized this wasn't the Superbowl and we have more games to be either Jeckyll or Hyde. Please oh please oh please Saints don't tease me. If you are gonna be winners and outscore people, DO IT!!! Don't dig your heads in the sand again next week or just go ahead and lose out. NO more schizophrenia. Be consistently one way or the other. Please.
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Old 11-14-2004, 03:45 PM   #2
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Hey, we\'ll have plenty more oppertunities to lament our mistakes . Let\'s enjoy this one for a few days.

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Old 11-14-2004, 05:21 PM   #3
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Whodi,

I\'m with G504 on this one.

Just enjoy it for a few days. Denver is next. When that sinks in, I\'m sure I\'ll start worrying again; until then, don\'t worry, be happy now.
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:59 PM   #4
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I understand what you guys are saying, but i\'m not gonna do this to myself again. Not after we gave up over 500 yards to a team without their best offensive weapon. I won\'t. Call me a pessimist, but this win made me more uneasy than a loss. Biggest fears: Haslett stays cause of some fluke wins, we somehow end up 9-7 or 8-8 and make the playoffs to get blown out in the 1st week, we beat Denver, get our hopes up, and lose to teams like Carolina and Tampa to sink into 7-9 and picking 18th in the draft, again. I won\'t do it.
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:40 AM   #5
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Whodi,

Do you really think a loss hurts more because of your hopes? I\'m not convinced that it does. The pessimist argument is always that the optimists get their hearts broken more often. Don\'t all our of our hearts break when our boys lose? I don\'t think it has much or anything to do with your stance prior to the game (i.e. deep down, I believe, the pessimists are secretly hoping for a win, even when they predict a loss).
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Old 11-15-2004, 06:32 AM   #6
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I understand what you guys are saying, but i\'m not gonna do this to myself again. Not after we gave up over 500 yards to a team without their best offensive weapon. I won\'t. Call me a pessimist, but this win made me more uneasy than a loss. Biggest fears: Haslett stays cause of some fluke wins, we somehow end up 9-7 or 8-8 and make the playoffs to get blown out in the 1st week, we beat Denver, get our hopes up, and lose to teams like Carolina and Tampa to sink into 7-9 and picking 18th in the draft, again. I won\'t do it.
I\'m starting the embrace the frustration. Every time I figure the casket has been lowered and dirt thrown on it, the ZOMBIE LIVES!

Yesterday we lost power about 15 minutes before game start. Decided to run some errands because the house was going to get cold and the Saints corpse isn\'t moving... But THE ZOMBIE LIVES!!

So then what happens? You start to think about the fact that other than Atlanta and Philly, everyone one else in the NFC is 5-4 and 4-5, including Team Inconsistent. Then the hope starts to creep in... Outshoot Denver next week (because we know we\'re going to give up 400+ yards and 20+ points already on Monday) coupled with a Falcons loss to the Giants (wouldn\'t that be sweet?!) would (I can\'t even imagine writing this) setup Team Inconsistent for a post Thanksgiving showdown for getting within a game of the NFC South division lead, with a second late December game lined up against the hated Falcons.
Or with the way that the Giants, Minnesota, and Seattle are tanking, that the last wildcard spot may still be open at 9-7...

NO! NO!!! Don\'t think such hopeful thoughts! The Madness! THE MADNESS!!!

Like I said a couple of week ago. At this point all we can do is shoot it out every game and hope the other team shoots itself in the foot enough for us to eek out a win.

Thanks KC. Let\'s see if Denver will do the same.

SFIAH

The Saints have been to playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and a own a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
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Old 11-15-2004, 06:50 AM   #7
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A win is a win. Whether we give up 1,000 yds. on the ground or air in one game, the only stat that counts is the score. We must not forget that. So enjoy the win guys.

I think the Saints are played better in this game than many others I have seen. They were playing like a 4-12 team. But in this game they looke like an 8-8 team. So although that is much better, let\'s break out the grains of salt.

The commentator during the game mentioned how the Saints and Haz were looking for any momentum, and their stop of the Chiefs (six plays inside the ten) sparked the team. Well, momentum can change things. So who knows?

I honestly thought our season was over, and I could actually get things done on Sundays, rather than watching the Saints and then any team that may have a chance of taking our playoff spot (translated all NFC teams). I totally understand the frustration about this team. I share it, but I was deep down so glad they won this game.

I hope Benson has set a high goal for Haz to stay, like having to win in the playoffs. I hope we don\'t keep Venturi and McCarthy at least. Benson may have to keep Haz, but there HAS to be a change at DC. Has to be.
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:14 AM   #8
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JKool,

I think the optimist heart does get broken more. I loved the analogy someone used of the Saints being a crazy girlfriend. The pessimist loves her, but knows she is crazy, and prone to do something crazy at any moment and therefore when the time comes, they had been expecting it. The optimist on the other hand loves the crazy girl, but every time she does something crazy it tears him down cause he is always expecting her NOT to be crazy. He has yet to come to terms with the fact that the girl is indeed crazy, and will continue to be so until she gets help.

That\'s our Saints. They are inconsistent heartbreakers and will continue to be so until there are major changes. So now everyone is on the \"a win is a win\" bandwagon when a win is the worst thing for this team. Haslett should have been fired before this season started and definitely after the San Diego game but every garbage win gives new life to him sticking around and that is the most heartbreaking thing of all. I accepted the team losing this season cause it was a means to an end. You gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette type deal. Now with every NFC team being mediocre or worse, each win will allow Haz to say we had a better record than team A, B, C, D, E, and F and possibly keep his job. That almost makes me wanna cry.
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Old 11-15-2004, 12:43 PM   #9
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Alright Whodi, I\'m with you.
The win makes me feel good, but it\'s a shallow victory, and I see how fragile that good feeling is. It\'s like trying to walk across a pond the first day after a hard freeze. I might be able to walk out on the ice a bit, but I can feel it cracking under my feet.
The ice is: special teams coverage of Dante Hall, with the exception of the opening kickoff. Jason Craft making some heads up plays. Two interceptions by our defense. Joe Horn and Deuce McAllister. Aaron Brooks unleashing his cannon of an arm. Mike Karney\'s catch and rumble, Defense in the red zone.
Then the water under the ice is : No pressure on Trent Green, and rarely blitzing in order to get pressure, Nearly 500 yards total offense allowed, Zone coverages that are so soft receivers don\'t have defenders within 3 steps of them consistantly, A game ball awarded to Victor Riler although he had a false start, and Aaron was harrassed all day, not just from his side but from everywhere.
By the way, that was my analogy of the psycho girlfiend. I\'m glad others can relate.
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Old 11-15-2004, 01:14 PM   #10
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FOB,

It was definitely a good analogy, one that I can relate to as I had a pyscho girlfriend who I loved, and am a lifelong Saints fan. It hit me on two levels. I just want consistency from this team. Either consistently lose or consistently win(in this season. For the coming years consistently win only). And I definitely don\'t want to count on the other team helping us to a win every week. I would feel so much better if we just hadn\'t given up so much yardage to Blaylock and Kennison. That killed me.

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