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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Why can\'t people just take a win for a win. There are so many negative posts some would swear we lost 100-0 so what if KC lost the game it brought us to 4-5 be happy sheeezzz. Also our defense ...

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Old 11-16-2004, 07:59 PM   #51
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KC beat us and we still won...

Why can\'t people just take a win for a win. There are so many negative posts some would swear we lost 100-0 so what if KC lost the game it brought us to 4-5 be happy sheeezzz. Also our defense wouldnt be this bad if some brilliant fornt office people would have fired venturi after his defense allowed over 20pts in 15 of the 16 regular season games and we blew a 6-1 start. Any other team would have had the guy fired and hed be coaching high school football somewhere. Bottom line everyone except god should be shocked that we beat KC on Sunday so everyone should be thrilled to death. One team made more plays than the other thats why they play any one can beat anyone no matter what the conditions are or how brillaintly advertised an offense is everyplay someone does right and someone does wrong.. we won dont be be so basically if we lose next week this post is for nothing and I\'ll be :casstet: until then im thrilled.

Stecker is a dawg.. I would say his job was riding on that fumble. Lets just say we got something with him, He does well under pressure... damn to bad he isnt a QB .. put me in coach im ready to play!!!
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:22 PM   #52
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2) Who and Whodi, regardless of who may be long lost brothers, I think that you guys also hold a claim you don\'t have a lot of evidence for, namely this: if we lose out, we\'ll get a new coach. I don\'t see that that is true anymore than you think we\'re wrong for saying we\'ll get a new coach either way.
Kool, my proof is the almost 90% certainty that we had that if the Saints would have lost to Oakland, Haslett would be gone already. That showed me that Banson is serious about doing what is necessary to get a new stadium or more funding for renovating the dome, and that means winning for him to get support.

My second piece of proof is Loomis\' distancing of himself from Haslett in recent weeks. And the fact Haslett was not invited to Benson\'s wedding. These are clear signs to me that losing will no longer be tolerated. The fact that Haslett was not fired after the Chargers debacle shows me he is clinging to some strand of life with the team and I want the umbilical severed.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:28 PM   #53
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JKool, you must be my long lost brother.

We win two more games this year, anymore than that, and I would be shocked. Forget about the Broncos, Falcons (twice), and the Buccs. Dallas, maybe, and we split the Carolina games, only because the latter two teams don\'t have a running game.
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:04 AM   #54
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This may end up sounding like another post, but I don\'t think getting a win vs. Atlanta has anything to do with beating them. In Atlanta\'s two losses, Vick was the guy who beat them, not the other team. In fairness, he was also the guy who probably won them their seven (with a little respectable defense thrown in), so I guess the ATL fans aren\'t complaining.

Carolina\'s an unfortunate case. Injuries have made them a truly pitiful sight, and you gotta feel bad watching Jake Delhomme try and pilot the ship. Something\'s gone wrong with that defense they had last year ... could be that they\'re simply on the field too long.

Tampa Bay\'s not much different now than they were when we last played them, except that: now Michael Pittman\'s back in game shape, Michael Clayton is on fire, and they\'ve found a QB. I guess, in a way, we\'re indirectly responsible for the resurrection of Brian Griese. Sheesh...

In Denver\'s losses, they\'ve seemed too quick to abandon the run. After finally deciding on Reuben Droughns, and watching him put up a couple of big games, they\'ve since stopped giving him the ball as often. They\'re WR\'s have a Stallworth-like penchant for dropping easy ones. And Champ Bailey can be beat ... look at how Chad Johnson embarrassed him in the MNF football game.

Dallas is just bloody awful. Too old on offense, too young and injured in the secondary. Can\'t move the ball, can\'t keep anyone else from doing so. Special teams disasters abound. They look every bit as stupid as Parcells keeps telling them they are.

All this being said, I\'m refraining from outright predictions for now. I don\'t have the energy to fight off all the torches & pitchforks if I\'m labelled a sunshiner, nor do I want to appear too bleak. Still hanging on to that \"wait and see\" approach ... as I\'ve seen this year\'s Saints team before (again and again).





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Old 11-17-2004, 02:34 AM   #55
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BnB, I\'d be proud to be your long lost brother. Also, I mostly agree with your position - though I think, as of now, we surprise ourselves and get 3 (maybe even 4) more.

Whodi, the things you stated sound like evidence for my view that Haz will be gone either way. I\'m not sure what else to say. Also, keep up the good work - you are very much among those who keep things interesting around here.

Mutineer, I like your optimism tempered as is it is. Please keep trying to make me believe... sometimes that is what everyone needs.

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Mutineer, I like your optimism tempered as is it is. Please keep trying to make me believe... sometimes that is what everyone needs.

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Wa\'ll, I\'ll do mah best, pardner. That thar\'s a tall order to fill in these parts, \'specially when yer out-gunned...

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Old 11-17-2004, 07:12 AM   #57
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I think that you guys also hold a claim you don\'t have a lot of evidence for, namely this: if we lose out, we\'ll get a new coach.
Evidence? No, I don\'t have any and neither do you. This is speculative, we are talking about what we think may happen. Now, you say that if the fans are no longer behind Haslett, then the team must know better.

I mostly disagree with this argument. There has been a fairly substantial outcry about JH for two years now and Benson congratulated the coaches on a good season last year. You think there\'s no confidence in Haslett? Sure, there\'s less now then ever, but what if the Saints beat Denver and ATL? A few people on this board have already posted that \"we\'re still in it.\" Sound familiar? Sound like the same thing said EVERY year after 9 games? I don\'t think what the fans think is relevant to Benson at all. That\'s why guy like Wannstadt have stayed in positions four years longer than they deserved.

What I know is that JH has an expensive contract that keeps him in NO for two more years. There has been a lot of talk about how Benson might not want to have to \"buy him out.\" If Haslett is dumb enough to support Venturi, then why isn\'t Benson dumb enough to give JH another year, or two?

Four or Five wins, a half empty Dome, Bagheads - that gives me a lot of faith JH will be fired. 8-8 gives people reason to believe and at the end of the year make up some new and creative reason why it wasn\'t really JH\'s fault, it was the players, injuries, a bad practice facility, or just bad luck. Like I said, I want there to be no doubt. At 4-5, there is doubt as t whether he will be fired, especially if we win a few more.

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:08 AM   #58
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mutineer,

Who, I take your point (and Whodi\'s), and I think it is an intelligent one. I guess, as of right now, our gut instincts are just different. In a few games, perhaps we can revisit the issue, perhaps we\'ll both have a slightly more evolved gut instinct by then.

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[quoteFour or Five wins, a half empty Dome, Bagheads - that gives me a lot of faith JH will be fired. 8-8 gives people reason to believe and at the end of the year make up some new and creative reason why it wasn\'t really JH\'s fault, it was the players, injuries, a bad practice facility, or just bad luck. Like I said, I want there to be no doubt. At 4-5, there is doubt as t whether he will be fired, especially if we win a few more. [/quote:e45be607c5]
WhoDat, I have a Hypothetical (I don\'t think it\'ll happen) question for you. I want you to answer honestly too.

If we are sitting at 7-8 (obviously due to other teams giving us wins instead of the Saints earning them) and thru a series of odd tie-breakers we will sneak into the playoffs if we win our last game at Carolina.

Can you honestly say you would pull for the Saints to lose and finish 7-9?
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Danno,

I can\'t answer for WhoDat, but I can answer for myself. Yes yes yes I would be pulling for a loss. I have maintained for the past few weeks tha no good will come of us making the playoffs, and I am staying with that, unless we win out. Backsliding into the playoffs is terrible.

So assuming Atlanta and Philly have the byes, and the way Green Bay is playing, my question to you is, you want this team on the road facing Green Bay at Lambeau in the winter?????? Seriously?? Then after that disaster, it will be \"Hey we made the playoffs. Must be doing something right. Let\'s stick with it, we are on the right track.\" Haslett stays, his staff stays, and we are back here again. You know the excuse we will hear? \"Well, Green Bay rarely loses at Lambeau in the playoffs. In fact, it has only happened once, so considering, I think we did alright.\" And here we all are again next year with the same questions and answers, but with a few more people on this side of the fence and another season down the tubes.

Same coach, same team, same attitude, same 18th draft pick, same offseason spin on how the changes this offseason will be better and how we had this or that low-key free agent targeted for a while and how they have rubbed off on other players in practice and there is a new attitude, not no-nonsense this time, but no sense at all.
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