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WhoDat!656 03-23-2014 01:09 PM

Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
If he is released should the Saints bring him in?

Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson - NFL.com

TheOak 03-23-2014 01:14 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
For an autograph? That's about all we can afford.

TwistedTiger 03-23-2014 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 584970)
For an autograph? That's about all we can afford.

Exactly! I don't see him taking a huge pay cut and we still have draft picks to sign. Loomis is good, but if can pull that off he can probably walk on water too.

WhoDat!656 03-23-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedTiger (Post 584976)
Exactly! I don't see him taking a huge pay cut and we still have draft picks to sign. Loomis is good, but if can pull that off he can probably walk on water too.

Stranger things have happened!

FinSaint 03-23-2014 02:15 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
I don't think the Saints could afford him even if they wanted to have him.

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TheOak 03-23-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 584979)
Stranger things have happened!


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saintsfan1976 03-23-2014 03:21 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
Stills and Morgan. Cheaper combined.

ScottF 03-23-2014 03:35 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
IF we had an extra ten million dollars, would we really spend it on Deshean Jackson?

TwistedTiger 03-23-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 584992)
Stills and Morgan. Cheaper combined.

Which one of those has shown the ability to even hold Jacksons jock strap? Stills shows promise, but hasn't shown anything close to the play making ability of Jackson. Morgan will never amount to anything.

papz 03-23-2014 05:26 PM

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If we're going to put out big bucks for a wide receiver, I'd like someone big, fast, good hands, and multidimensional.

Desean Jackson only fits one of those criteria.

Can you really imagine Drew throwing a pass to Jackson across the middle? He'd get knocked out and have to retire.

The Dude 03-23-2014 07:43 PM

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If we had any interest in him we would have tried to work him into the deal with Sproles I would imagine.

MatthewT 03-23-2014 07:43 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
There are seriously only a few player in the NFL that I cannot stomach, and DeSean Jackson is at the top of that list. But with that said, he could help the Saints in a big way, so if Loomis is able to pull it off then great.

rezburna 03-23-2014 08:02 PM

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Would love to have him. Our other receivers immediately become so much more lethal.

billyt81 03-23-2014 08:53 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
I agree that he's probably too expensive, but he can run across the middle just fine. And then he can take a 5 yd slant 90 yds too. He's good. And if Brees was throwing him the ball he'd be great.

Rsanders24 03-23-2014 08:56 PM

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Pass...he quits too much unless he knows the ball is coming his way and does not like to go across the middle...reminds me of how Randy Moss was before he joined N.E...

Also...if you had to choose between Jackson and Graham...who would you choose? I'd choose Graham every time...Jackson is not worth 10M/yr...neither is Graham but he is a TD machine especially in the redzone.

Utah_Saint 03-23-2014 09:46 PM

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Very talented receiver with good numbers, but even if the Saints had the money, he seems too much of a prima dona for the Saints offense. Everybody has to do everything.

rezburna 03-23-2014 10:08 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
I'd take Desean over Jimmy.

Utah_Saint 03-23-2014 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 585060)
I'd take Desean over Jimmy.

Whoa, didn't see that comin.

rezburna 03-23-2014 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 585063)
Whoa, didn't see that comin.

I feel like Jimmy Graham is a product of our quarterback and play caller force feeding him the ball. I feel like that speed on the outside matched up with Stills and Morgan is more beneficial then a TE version of Marques Colston; whom might I add is way more willing to sacrifice his body and not alligator arm throws over the middle. Even if it means getting blown up. Who was playing TE in 2009? Jeremy Shockey on his last legs? The Packers won the next year without Jermichael Finley; just the super trio of Jennings, Driver, and Nelson. Which we could have with Desean, though I doubt we get him. The Giants won the next year. Who was their TE? I don't even know right now off the top of my head. Then the Ravens. Dennis Pitta and Ed Dickson? More like Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith. And this year. The Seattle Seahawks. I'm just under the logic of WR being more important then TE. Which is why WR's get paid more then TE's by a large amount.

Utah_Saint 03-24-2014 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 585064)
I feel like Jimmy Graham is a product of our quarterback and play caller force feeding him the ball. I feel like that speed on the outside matched up with Stills and Morgan is more beneficial then a TE version of Marques Colston; whom might I add is way more willing to sacrifice his body and not alligator arm throws over the middle. Even if it means getting blown up. Who was playing TE in 2009? Jeremy Shockey on his last legs? The Packers won the next year without Jermichael Finley; just the super trio of Jennings, Driver, and Nelson. Which we could have with Desean, though I doubt we get him. The Giants won the next year. Who was their TE? I don't even know right now off the top of my head. Then the Ravens. Dennis Pitta and Ed Dickson? More like Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith. And this year. The Seattle Seahawks. I'm just under the logic of WR being more important then TE. Which is why WR's get paid more then TE's by a large amount.

I know, you've made it pretty clear and I respect your opinion. I disagree with just about every word you typed, but I do respect your opinion.

I could throw a bunch of stats at you to show you that Graham has out produced Desean Jackson.

I could list all the tight ends and their numbers, that have played for Sean with Drew to show you that Graham isn't just another TE in the Payton/Brees system.

I could bring up lots of news reports of how Desean sat out of team meetings because he didn't want to go over the middle.

I could talk about how Desean announced to the press that he wanted a new contract less then two years after signing a 5 year deal that made him the 7th highest paid Wide out in the league.

I could show that Desean disappeared in more games than Graham this last season.

But I don't think you'd care about any of that.

So while I respect your opinion, I'd take Graham.

rezburna 03-24-2014 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 585070)
I know, you've made it pretty clear and I respect your opinion. I disagree with just about every word you typed, but I do respect your opinion.

I could throw a bunch of stats at you to show you that Graham has out produced Desean Jackson.

I could list all the tight ends and their numbers, that have played for Sean with Drew to show you that Graham isn't just another TE in the Payton/Brees system.

I could bring up lots of news reports of how Desean sat out of team meetings because he didn't want to go over the middle.

I could talk about how Desean announced to the press that he wanted a new contract less then two years after signing a 5 year deal that made him the 7th highest paid Wide out in the league.

I could show that Desean disappeared in more games than Graham this last season.

But I don't think you'd care about any of that.

So while I respect your opinion, I'd take Graham.


Desean never had Drew Brees or Sean Payton either. Moss didn't want to go over the middle, and never had to. Another guy I'd take over Graham. And I I hate to say all this because I don't not like Jimmy Graham. I don't want to get rid of Jimmy Graham per say. But I don't want to bet our future on a TE. Yeah, he's special. The other TE's we had couldn't touch him. But he's just targeted way too much, and with his skill set I feel like he should have 20+ td's and 2,000 yards receiving. Nobody should be able to stop a fade in the end zone on him. Nobody should be able to break up a slant from behind on him. He should win almost every jump ball. So until I see all that in a dominant fashion night in and night out, I want the speed demon who could return punts and break the game open at any time.

But I see where you're coming from. High character guy. Seems to get better every year and has a desire to do so. Loves Brees. Loves the city. What's not to like? Desean is the opposite. Arrogant. Obviously still highly influenced by the street culture he and a lot of guys in the NFL came from. More about money then anything ele. Has favorites (Vick over Foles.) Your every day, diva receiver. We don't have those in New Orleans.

Utah_Saint 03-24-2014 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 585072)
Desean never had Drew Brees or Sean Payton either. Moss didn't want to go over the middle, and never had to. Another guy I'd take over Graham. And I I hate to say all this because I don't not like Jimmy Graham. I don't want to get rid of Jimmy Graham per say. But I don't want to bet our future on a TE. Yeah, he's special. The other TE's we had couldn't touch him. But he's just targeted way too much, and with his skill set I feel like he should have 20+ td's and 2,000 yards receiving. Nobody should be able to stop a fade in the end zone on him. Nobody should be able to break up a slant from behind on him. He should win almost every jump ball. So until I see all that in a dominant fashion night in and night out, I want the speed demon who could return punts and break the game open at any time.

I agree with that.

I've been on here arguing about how good Graham is for the past month because I think he's a top ten receiver in the league, but I've never argued that The Saints should pay over 10 million dollars a year for one receiver.

Just my opinion, but I think what makes the Saints offense so difficult to defend is the many ways they've been able to attack the defense. Cover the middle and the backs will beat you in the flats, cover the flats and the burners will beat you deep, cover deep and the slots will beat you on slants and outs... rinse and repeat. I don't know if it makes sense to put that much of the teams cap into one receiver.

jnormand 03-24-2014 01:24 AM

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He's talented yes. But the Eagles can't stand his locker room issues. Why would we want him to cancer ours? He'll go to the Jets and be perfect there. The media. The attention. The dumbass coach who'll put up with him.

I'll pass.

And yes I know he's talented and fast and can be a game changer.

I also see what a pain in the ass he is. I'd rather not have an arrogant, "me first" player on our team.

Rsanders24 03-24-2014 11:08 AM

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Jackson has also benefited greatly from a lot of one on one matchups due to Shady drawing more people into closer to the box.

Yes...he has a ton of speed but he is not going to sit down on zone coverage and open up in the middle of the field....he wouldn't last with Drew sending him in the middle

And let me say this about Graham....I definitely don't think he is worth 10m/yr but I'd rather pay him then have Jackson at that rate...

Hell...I cant believe I'm saying this but I'd rather have have T.O. then Jackson...T.O. was a bigger pain in the @$$ but he never quit cause he didn't like the routes... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...shocked035.gif

Euphoria 03-24-2014 12:09 PM

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Well why yall get caught up in 'who is better Graham or Jackson debate'.

My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!!

TheOak 03-24-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 585136)

My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!!

Notably his 10m/year pay check and our 3.2m Cap Space. :bng:

Jack Vegas 03-24-2014 01:55 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
Why would we want him. This guy is a malcontent who couldn't even manage to be happy in a career season when his team just went from the cellar to the playoffs and he was making over 10 million a year.

Rsanders24 03-24-2014 02:08 PM

Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson
 
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 585136)
Well why yall get caught up in 'who is better Graham or Jackson debate'.

My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!!

While it would create miss match issues I don't see how he fits into our offense at the cost of 10M/yr for just a deep threat. Teams aren't going to stack the box on us giving him single coverage...now if we were talking about a Calvin Johnson type of player in our offense then sure!!

hagan714 03-24-2014 02:13 PM

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man o man what an addition he would be. i bet the saints locker room could straighten out his head. now money involved is a whole different topic. that is the bubble buster but hey mickey may have one more wabbit in his hat. did anyone really think we could have landed Byrd? honestly

rezburna 03-24-2014 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 585156)
man o man what an addition he would be. i bet the saints locker room could straighten out his head. now money involved is a whole different topic. that is the bubble buster but hey mickey may have one more wabbit in his hat. did anyone really think we could have landed Byrd? honestly

Yep. People don't have as much faith in our staff and program as they should. Some people show out because the team they're with allows it.

brees84 03-24-2014 02:23 PM

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btw. jackson wants more money. 10 M/yr = unhappy diva

Happy Jackson is not worth the money.

And yes I like his game but not at that price.

papz 03-24-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 585160)
btw. jackson wants more money. 10 M/yr = unhappy diva

Happy Jackson is not worth the money.

And yes I like his game but not at that price.

People tend to forget every time he has a decent year, he wants his contract re-negotiated. Financially he does not make sense here... and that's what it basically comes down to.

As people want to point out that we didn't win a Superbowl with a stud tight end, well you know what, we didn't win one with a Desean Jackson either.

PASAINT26 03-25-2014 09:58 AM

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I live in the Philly area and Jackson is a cancer to the locker room. He is very much a me guy and I don't see him as a fit. He takes plays off when he is not getting the ball. He cannot do anything but run deep. He cannot get off press coverage and we already have that issue now. Totally not worth the hype. If another offensive coach like Kelly does not want him why do we.

rezburna 03-25-2014 11:20 AM

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Nobody thinks we have a realistic chance to get him. But nobody would pass on him if we could get him for 6 to 8 million. None of our receivers all around guys. Colston doesn't have the speed. Stills doesn't have the frame. Devery was all speed. So was Meachem. He'd be an elite version of Devery Henderson. Doesn't matter if he does one thing well. 1,300 yards doing one thing means you do that one thing pretty good.

lee909 03-25-2014 11:30 AM

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He doesn't want to play for $10ml so no way if he signing for $6-8ml. I would want him either way. You can get speed in the draft and not pay $8ml for a full rookie deal

amazin15 03-25-2014 12:29 PM

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If Stills doesn't have the frame, then Jackson definitely doesn't. Stills is an inch or two taller and has him by 15 lbs at least. I'll pass on the diva and all the drama that comes with him.

rezburna 03-25-2014 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by amazin15 (Post 585311)
If Stills doesn't have the frame, then Jackson definitely doesn't. Stills is an inch or two taller and has him by 15 lbs at least. I'll pass on the diva and all the drama that comes with him.

The point I'm making is you don't come across Calvin Johnson type players that have it all often. He'd come here with a role, and I'm positive he'd serve that role at an elite level.

rezburna 03-25-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 585292)
He doesn't want to play for $10ml so no way if he signing for $6-8ml. I would want him either way. You can get speed in the draft and not pay $8ml for a full rookie deal

I already said we can't get him. This whole topic is hypothetical. If we could get him for 8 million I'd hop all over it. Most NFL fans would take him over any of the receivers we already have. I wouldn't take him over Colston in his prime. But Colston right now? Idk. Maybe.

amazin15 03-25-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 585314)
The point I'm making is you don't come across Calvin Johnson type players that have it all often. He'd come here with a role, and I'm positive he'd serve that role at an elite level.

Players like Megatron are one in a generation. If Jackson comes here, he'd play the role of deep threat receiver like he does in Philly, and he'd be enormously overpaid for that role. We can draft a player to fill that same role for a whole lot cheaper, with a lot less drama.

rezburna 03-25-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by amazin15 (Post 585317)
Players like Megatron are one in a generation. If Jackson comes here, he'd play the role of deep threat receiver like he does in Philly, and he'd be enormously overpaid for that role. We can draft a player to fill that same role for a whole lot cheaper, with a lot less drama.

We can draft a player to fit a lot of roles, but that doesn't mean you'll get the same level of production out of him. Who fills the deep threat role in the NFL better than he does? AJ Green? Josh Gordon? That's about it. He's top 3 at his role and top 10 at his position. A position that just so happens to get big money. So yeah, we can draft a guy to fill that role. But we already know what Desean does in that role. A rookie is nothing more then a question mark. With that said, I rather we just draft someone too for 10 milli. But the draft ain't guaranteeing anything.


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