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2014: Who will lead the Saints in rushing?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by dizzle88 Ingram will get the most carries and if the O line play how they did in the playoffs, ingram will lead us in rushing Originally Posted by Cruize I love Ingram. If healthy, he can get ...

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Old 03-30-2014, 12:16 AM   #41
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Re: 2014: Who will lead the Saints in rushing?

Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
Ingram will get the most carries and if the O line play how they did in the playoffs, ingram will lead us in rushing
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I love Ingram. If healthy, he can get the job done. But, Robinson is a more dynamic back. While I love Thomas as well, I fear his return will just continue the horrible one play per back rotation. If the Saints truly want a balanced attack, hand the ball off to Robinson/Ingran and take them out when they raise their hand. Otherwise, it's just lip service and more of the same.
All three are very similar. They might all three tie in a foot race and no more than. 15 lbs seperates one from another. I think Ingram has the most breakaway speed but Robinsin runs with more reckless abandon like Ivory did. Pierre is great at finishing runs and squeezing our every yd he can. TB tailbacks performed great behind this new FB Lorig. The back who can start turning some runs into 30+ yd runs will be the one. My guess-Robinson, but Ingram has the most talent and Thomas the most heart is well see.
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All three are very similar. They might all three tie in a foot race and no more than. 15 lbs seperates one from another. I think Ingram has the most breakaway speed but Robinsin runs with more reckless abandon like Ivory did. Pierre is great at finishing runs and squeezing our every yd he can. TB tailbacks performed great behind this new FB Lorig. The back who can start turning some runs into 30+ yd runs will be the one. My guess-Robinson, but Ingram has the most talent and Thomas the most heart is well see.
Having watched all 3 last season and looking at their ProDay/Combine numbers other than height, wt, and 40yd (things that do not really define a RB), they are not all that alike.

Robinson: Has shown better vision and is more elusive, I wouldn't call him reckless.. more runs angry.
5'10"
206 lbs
4.76 40yd
1.54 10yd
6.88 3 Cone

Thomas: Longer Stride, great vision but doesn't cut as well, and powers through the end of his run. Best screen back.
5'11"
209
4.65 40yd
1.57 10yd
7.12 3 cone

Mark Ingram: Better acceleration after the line of scrimmage but has yet to show the vision or patience that the other two have, which is what gets a RB consistently passed the LoS.
5'9"
215
4.53 40yd
1.54 10yd
7.13 3cone

2013 YPC
Ingram -4.9*
Robinson - 4.1
Thomas - 3.7

I think it is important to note that with out the Dallas game, Ingram's number is drastically different and tied to 1 game more so than the other two RBs.

Dallas stats removed:
Ingram 3.7 YPC.
Thomas 3.5 YPC
Robinson didn't play against Dallas.
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
2013 YPC
Ingram -4.9*
Robinson - 4.1
Thomas - 3.7

I think it is important to note that with out the Dallas game, Ingram's number is drastically different and tied to 1 game more so than the other two RBs.

Dallas stats removed:
Ingram 3.7 YPC.
Thomas 3.5 YPC
Robinson didn't play against Dallas.
Not to nitpick but if you remove the Arizona game from Robinson's stats he averages 3.65 YPC

If you remove the best game by all 3 of them you have...
Ingram 3.77
Robinson 3.65
Thomas 3.47
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Having watched all 3 last season and looking at their ProDay/Combine numbers other than height, wt, and 40yd (things that do not really define a RB), they are not all that alike.

Robinson: Has shown better vision and is more elusive, I wouldn't call him reckless.. more runs angry.
5'10"
206 lbs
4.76 40yd
1.54 10yd
6.88 3 Cone

Thomas: Longer Stride, great vision but doesn't cut as well, and powers through the end of his run. Best screen back.
5'11"
209
4.65 40yd
1.57 10yd
7.12 3 cone

Mark Ingram: Better acceleration after the line of scrimmage but has yet to show the vision or patience that the other two have, which is what gets a RB consistently passed the LoS.
5'9"
215
4.53 40yd
1.54 10yd
7.13 3cone

2013 YPC
Ingram -4.9*
Robinson - 4.1
Thomas - 3.7

I think it is important to note that with out the Dallas game, Ingram's number is drastically different and tied to 1 game more so than the other two RBs.

Dallas stats removed:
Ingram 3.7 YPC.
Thomas 3.5 YPC
Robinson didn't play against Dallas.
This is a reason I am not a big stat fan 1 or 2 good games can blow the stats up or 1 or 2 bad games lower the overall body of work also. Big difference without the Dallas game.
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Re: 2014: Who will lead the Saints in rushing?

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Not to nitpick but if you remove the Arizona game from Robinson's stats he averages 3.65 YPC



If you remove the best game by all 3 of them you have...

Ingram 3.77

Robinson 3.65

Thomas 3.47

How are you defining "best game"? Total yards, yards/carry?
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How are you defining "best game"? Total yards, yards/carry?
Yes, all of them considered. The point is you can take away 1 game from any of them and show different results. It all depends on how you wanna skew the stats.

10 carries for 73 yards was likely PT's best game. Agreed?
Take that game away and he averages 3.47 YPC

Conversely his worst game was Chicago with 19/36.
Take away that game and he averages 4.03 YPC

Take away Ingrams worst game against Atlanta (9/11) and he averages 5.43 YPC.
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Yes, all of them considered. The point is you can take away 1 game from any of them and show different results. It all depends on how you wanna skew the stats.

10 carries for 73 yards was likely PT's best game. Agreed?
Take that game away and he averages 3.47 YPC

Conversely his worst game was Chicago with 19/36.
Take away that game and he averages 4.03 YPC

Take away Ingrams worst game against Atlanta (9/11) and he averages 5.43 YPC.
I didn't take away a best game from each in attempt to average the mean, I took out the 1 game where we abnormally ran over the opposing team in a way we did not to any other team. Removing the Dallas game was more of a leveling of the playing field as Robinson didn't have an opportunity to run against blocking dummies.

In games where all 3 ran against the same team:
Phili - Ingram 5.3 Robinson 5.6
Seahawks Ingram 4.9 Robinson 4.4
Bucs - Ingram 6.6 Robinson 4.1
Panthers - Ingram 6.3 Robinson 3
Falcons - Ingram 3.5 Robinson 4

As far as for pulling Ingrams ATL game, if you are going to pull worst games then pull best and AVE the mean. 4.18 YPC.

Again, I wasn't trying to skew, I was trying to level the playing field and taking out the game where we virtually ran against no defense.

I think everyone can agree that the Dallas game and its 242 yards of rushing was an anomaly for our offense. Next best was 131 against the Pats.

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I didn't take away a best game from each in attempt to average the mean, I took out the 1 game where we abnormally ran over the opposing team in a way we did not to any other team. Removing the Dallas game was more of a leveling of the playing field as Robinson didn't have an opportunity to run against blocking dummies.

In games where all 3 ran against the same team:
Phili - Ingram 5.3 Robinson 5.6
Seahawks Ingram 4.9 Robinson 4.4
Bucs - Ingram 6.6 Robinson 4.1
Panthers - Ingram 6.3 Robinson 3
Falcons - Ingram 3.5 Robinson 4

As far as for pulling Ingrams ATL game, if you are going to pull worst games then pull best and AVE the mean. 4.18 YPC.

Again, I wasn't trying to skew, I was trying to level the playing field and taking out the game where we virtually ran against no defense.

I think everyone can agree that the Dallas game and its 242 yards of rushing was an anomaly for our offense. Next best was 131 against the Pats.
We should run the ball more, we are really hard to beat when we do. I hope Payton see's this, the cute stuff don't work so well against tough D's. Time for some ground and pound.
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We should run the ball more, we are really hard to beat when we do. I hope Payton see's this, the cute stuff don't work so well against tough D's. Time for some ground and pound.
Sorry brother, I looked at the numbers and Running more doesn't exactly equate to better play or winning.

Carolina 30 runs - L
Seattle 28 runs - L
Patriots 26 runs - L
Buccs 20 runs - W
49ers 23 runs - W

There is no "we do this more and we win", except scoring.

What the numbers do show for 2013:

Brees throws 3+ TD 6-0
Brees throws 2 TD 4-2
Brees throws 1 TD 2-4

Brees throws 0 INT 7-2
Brees throws 1 INT 3-1
Brees throws 2 INT 2-3

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So what you are saying is if Drew throws multiple TDs and doesn't throw multiple INT we win!.

Somebody tell coach quick
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