Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints

Rsanders24 · 03-25-2014, 08:08 AM

I agree...the system needs work...I feel that there should be a legitimate attempt by the team to retain their top free agents. If another team beats that offer and the player chooses to sign elsewhere then a compensatory pick should be awarded. If you are in cap hell and can't make it work to offer a contract then oh well....the way it is currently structured is BS...and any player acquired should count except for trades...I don't care if the player was cut or signed as a free agent it should still count...this is just some BS system that allows the league to manipulate the team that Goodell likes...Its called Free Agency for a reason...they made the decision to let them walk....since they are so good at 'developing talent' then give them 6th and 7th round picks...those player weren't taken from them...they let them walk....

Sorry....Im done with my rant...lol

jeanpierre · 03-25-2014, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We lost Bushrod and Ellis and Signed Harolson and Lewis... Its a wash.... No compensation needed.

Oak, we traded a 7th round pick for Parys Haralson...

But you're right in that the NFL Voodudes are counting Keenan Lewis, Victor Butler, and Kenyon Coleman against us...

My issue is the compensation that Baltimore got over some of the other teams...

Cut players don't factor either; what I disagree with is the NFL doesn't factor players signed that were cut by other teams - that's bullshinski...

If they're cut, then they're a free agent; and Baltimore signed free agents to replace their "losses"...

Ozzie is the NFL's poster boy for GMs who went through their mgt program and their favoritism is evident...

TheOak · 03-25-2014, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Oak, we traded a 7th round pick for Parys Haralson...

But you're right in that the NFL Voodudes are counting Keenan Lewis, Victor Butler, and Kenyon Coleman against us...

My issue is the compensation that Baltimore got over some of the other teams...

Cut players don't factor either; what I disagree with is the NFL doesn't factor players signed that were cut by other teams - that's bullshinski...

If they're cut, then they're a free agent; and Baltimore signed free agents to replace their "losses"...

Ozzie is the NFL's poster boy for GMs who went through their mgt program and their favoritism is evident...

This may help clarify.
http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...tory-picks.pdf

Then again, it may not.

Utah_Saint · 03-25-2014, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This may help clarify.
http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...tory-picks.pdf

Then again, it may not.

Looking at the total numbers of comp picks, it doesn't seem fair.

For example,
The Ravens have had 35 more draft picks than the Browns over the last 20 years. They're in the same division and Baltimore has had much more success over that time span than Cleveland. That seems to me like too much of an advantage when the Browns haven't done anything wrong.

lee909 · 03-25-2014, 08:56 AM

The Browns have not done anything right either.

I think teams should only get a maximum of one or two picks personally. The Ravens refuse to pay FA knowing they get multiple extra picks.
If you are getting say two 5th round comp picks you can trade your original 5th rounder for a better pick the next year so you benefit more from comp picks.

I think its a poor process. Two of our FA that stopped us getting a puck never played so why should that be held against the team.

TheOak · 03-25-2014, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Looking at the total numbers of comp picks, it doesn't seem fair.

For example,
The Ravens have had 35 more draft picks than the Browns over the last 20 years. They're in the same division and Baltimore has had much more success over that time span than Cleveland. That seems to me like too much of an advantage when the Browns haven't done anything wrong.

That is because fair has nothing to do with it, how many players have walked from the Browns in the last years that would count as value using the Compensatory picks formula.

"Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The
formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not
every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this
formula. "

Baltimore having had more success is evidence that Baltimore has been letting better players go.

TheOak · 03-25-2014, 09:02 AM

As far as for the Saints compensatory picks... Which free agents have we let go that went to a new team and received a high salary, played the full season, and had post season honors, in comparison to how many we have taken on?

We generally get better than we give up. It is all about loss of value, and not so much a 1-1 free agent swap.

Euphoria · 03-25-2014, 09:06 AM

I also feel we get shafted with this process.

Perhaps just shows we make out by upgrading positions / players when we lose some FA. I think the whole process should be scrapped. I mean if you lose a player its your fault, deal with it.

I also feel its better to just lose a player without trade because your comp pick will be higher that the trade.

exile · 03-25-2014, 09:11 AM

Compensatory compensatory. I like saying that word. Never really understand the explanation of how the NFL uses it at random (it seems).

B_Dub_Saint · 03-25-2014, 09:31 AM

Well since its all based on the previous year then next year we should get like 4 or 5 right??
We lost Smith, Vilma, Harper, Jenkins, & Moore just to name a few. We also did not receive anything from them.

03-25-2014, 08:08 AM	#11
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,471	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints I agree...the system needs work...I feel that there should be a legitimate attempt by the team to retain their top free agents. If another team beats that offer and the player chooses to sign elsewhere then a compensatory pick should be awarded. If you are in cap hell and can't make it work to offer a contract then oh well....the way it is currently structured is BS...and any player acquired should count except for trades...I don't care if the player was cut or signed as a free agent it should still count...this is just some BS system that allows the league to manipulate the team that Goodell likes...Its called Free Agency for a reason...they made the decision to let them walk....since they are so good at 'developing talent' then give them 6th and 7th round picks...those player weren't taken from them...they let them walk.... Sorry....Im done with my rant...lol

03-25-2014, 08:26 AM	#12
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints Originally Posted by TheOak We lost Bushrod and Ellis and Signed Harolson and Lewis... Its a wash.... No compensation needed. Oak, we traded a 7th round pick for Parys Haralson... But you're right in that the NFL Voodudes are counting Keenan Lewis, Victor Butler, and Kenyon Coleman against us... My issue is the compensation that Baltimore got over some of the other teams... Cut players don't factor either; what I disagree with is the NFL doesn't factor players signed that were cut by other teams - that's bullshinski... If they're cut, then they're a free agent; and Baltimore signed free agents to replace their "losses"... Ozzie is the NFL's poster boy for GMs who went through their mgt program and their favoritism is evident...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

03-25-2014, 08:31 AM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Oak, we traded a 7th round pick for Parys Haralson... But you're right in that the NFL Voodudes are counting Keenan Lewis, Victor Butler, and Kenyon Coleman against us... My issue is the compensation that Baltimore got over some of the other teams... Cut players don't factor either; what I disagree with is the NFL doesn't factor players signed that were cut by other teams - that's bullshinski... If they're cut, then they're a free agent; and Baltimore signed free agents to replace their "losses"... Ozzie is the NFL's poster boy for GMs who went through their mgt program and their favoritism is evident... This may help clarify. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...tory-picks.pdf Then again, it may not.

03-25-2014, 08:48 AM	#14
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints Originally Posted by TheOak This may help clarify. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...tory-picks.pdf Then again, it may not. Looking at the total numbers of comp picks, it doesn't seem fair. For example, The Ravens have had 35 more draft picks than the Browns over the last 20 years. They're in the same division and Baltimore has had much more success over that time span than Cleveland. That seems to me like too much of an advantage when the Browns haven't done anything wrong.

03-25-2014, 08:56 AM	#15
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,717 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints The Browns have not done anything right either. I think teams should only get a maximum of one or two picks personally. The Ravens refuse to pay FA knowing they get multiple extra picks. If you are getting say two 5th round comp picks you can trade your original 5th rounder for a better pick the next year so you benefit more from comp picks. I think its a poor process. Two of our FA that stopped us getting a puck never played so why should that be held against the team.

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03-25-2014, 09:00 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Looking at the total numbers of comp picks, it doesn't seem fair. For example, The Ravens have had 35 more draft picks than the Browns over the last 20 years. They're in the same division and Baltimore has had much more success over that time span than Cleveland. That seems to me like too much of an advantage when the Browns haven't done anything wrong. That is because fair has nothing to do with it, how many players have walked from the Browns in the last years that would count as value using the Compensatory picks formula. "Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula. " Baltimore having had more success is evidence that Baltimore has been letting better players go.

03-25-2014, 09:02 AM	#17
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints As far as for the Saints compensatory picks... Which free agents have we let go that went to a new team and received a high salary, played the full season, and had post season honors, in comparison to how many we have taken on? We generally get better than we give up. It is all about loss of value, and not so much a 1-1 free agent swap.

03-25-2014, 09:06 AM	#18
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints I also feel we get shafted with this process. Perhaps just shows we make out by upgrading positions / players when we lose some FA. I think the whole process should be scrapped. I mean if you lose a player its your fault, deal with it. I also feel its better to just lose a player without trade because your comp pick will be higher that the trade.

03-25-2014, 09:11 AM	#19
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints Compensatory compensatory. I like saying that word. Never really understand the explanation of how the NFL uses it at random (it seems).
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03-25-2014, 09:31 AM	#20
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,343 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints Well since its all based on the previous year then next year we should get like 4 or 5 right?? We lost Smith, Vilma, Harper, Jenkins, & Moore just to name a few. We also did not receive anything from them.

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