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Old 03-31-2014, 08:59 PM   #11
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:26 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 View Post
Sounds like your in a fighting mood.... Or at least a little miffed about some of the things you saw on tape.

I'll bite. 5 million dollar Harper even restructured or Kenny Vaccaro.... Um im takin Kenny.... It wasn't just Harper who the punishment was levied upon.

you will see massive improvement in that area with a Center who can push the pocket, and a healthy OL....

Had a good season, but he could use a restructure.

I feel the same way about Ingram that I feel about Meacham, and Robinson..... not enough production from where they were picked... I think that is more than fair. Lets for fun sake say Ingram breaks out like we all want him to. Cam and Ingram's rookie deals end next season. 1 will get big money and 1 wont. So I'll ask. Ingram or Jordan. In the event that it is Jordan and not Ingram what will you get once he hits the market....





How bout we return to a power running game, or and actual running game during the season.... and let a fresher less arm stressed Brees takes us the rest of the way.... Your not ..... not throwing the ball as much as you are adding years on to that surgically repaired arm...

Even the most talented team has holes... We need a Center.. A number 2 corner. We also need to figure out where our depth is on the OLine, and behind Junyah I would even grab Jonathan Goodwin while we figured it out.

I can't wait for you to see him in a different uniform.... watch us exploit everything he does wrong... and then say he's a pro bowler....
You totally missed the point on almost all of them.
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:28 PM   #13
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[QUOTE=Danno;586202]Re-read the 257 page Draft thread, or the 237 page mock draft thread, or the 212 page Jimmy Graham contract thread.

"1- Even though Roman Harper played great in coverage 90% of the time, the 2 or 3 games he made a bad play in apparently translates to "being abused constantly"



I would say you represent at least 90% of the people who believe that. Every NFL scout disagrees, on top of the vast majority of fans.
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Re-read the 257 page Draft thread, or the 237 page mock draft thread, or the 212 page Jimmy Graham contract thread.
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Also, review old game recordings. You can learn a lot. For instance...

1- Even though Roman Harper played great in coverage 90% of the time, the 2 or 3 games he made a bad play in apparently translates to "being abused constantly"

You represent at least 90% of the people who believe that. Every NFL scout disagrees, on top of the vast majority of fans.
Well I side with his coaches, so I'm feeling pretty good about my view of him.

Most fans don't know the difference between a Strong Safety and a Free Safety.
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:38 PM   #15
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Well I side with his coaches, so I'm feeling pretty good about my view of him.

Most fans don't know the difference between a Strong Safety and a Free Safety.
I know the difference quite well. Roman Harper was not asked to cover Calvin Johnson. He was asked to perform exactly the kind of coverage duties that all strong safeties have to do. And he stunk at it the majority of the time.

What makes you believe the Saints agree with you? Did they ever say he was great in coverage? Did they not just release him?

They kept him around this long because for years they invested nothing into the defense and didn't view his position as a priority. He was used as an extra linebacker for all intents and purposes, and everyone knows that. If he were "great" in coverage 90% of the time, they would not have drafted a safety in the first round last year, and spent 58 million or whatever it was on a another this year. They could have just kept the crap they already had.

But evidently, the Saints identified a problem and have finally decided to do something about it.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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I know the difference quite well. Roman Harper was not asked to cover Calvin Johnson. He was asked to perform exactly the kind of coverage duties that all strong safeties have to do. And he stunk at it the majority of the time.

What makes you believe the Saints agree with you? Did they ever say he was great in coverage? Did they not just release him?

They kept him around this long because for years they invested nothing into the defense and didn't view his position as a priority. He was used as an extra linebacker for all intents and purposes, and everyone knows that. If he were "great" in coverage 90% of the time, they would not have drafted a safety in the first round last year, and spent 58 million or whatever it was on a another this year. They could have just kept the crap they already had.

But evidently, the Saints identified a problem and have finally decided to do something about it.
Why are you two still bickering like two old women about players not on the team anymore?

Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one... You're just wasting your time arguing with Danno when Harper isn't even on the team anymore...
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I know the difference quite well. Roman Harper was not asked to cover Calvin Johnson. He was asked to perform exactly the kind of coverage duties that all strong safeties have to do. And he stunk at it the majority of the time.

What makes you believe the Saints agree with you? Did they ever say he was great in coverage? Did they not just release him?

They kept him around this long because for years they invested nothing into the defense and didn't view his position as a priority. He was used as an extra linebacker for all intents and purposes, and everyone knows that. If he were "great" in coverage 90% of the time, they would not have drafted a safety in the first round last year, and spent 58 million or whatever it was on a another this year. They could have just kept the crap they already had.

But evidently, the Saints identified a problem and have finally decided to do something about it.
I disagree that he stunk at it the majority of the time. He started for 4 different coordinators, made two pro-bowls, earned more game balls than anyone else on our defense under Gregg Williams. He was a classic SS that was too often a scapegoat for every problem this defense had.

When used as a strong safety, he played well. He was nowhere near as bad as many made him out to be. He's obviously not as good now as he used to be and his salary exceeded his contributions. Lance Moore was also released, did he suck? Jed Collins was released, did he suck? Scott Fujita was let go, did he suck? Jonathan Vilma wasn't resigned, at one time he was one of the best MLB's in the league, I guess he sucked too? We let Chris Ivory walk, did he suck? Joique Bell? Did he suck? Reggie Bush?
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Why are you two still bickering like two old women about players not on the team anymore?

Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one... You're just wasting your time arguing with Danno when Harper isn't even on the team anymore...
Thank you mitch, I'll remember to check with you first to see if it's alright to comment next time.

Let me explain something to you. When a team invests as much as this team has the last two years in upgrading it's safeties, it is not a moot point to bring up the struggles of Harper or Jenkins. It pertains to the conversation. But more importantly, why are you worried about two people who aren't talking to you? If what we're talking about doesn't matter then why are you even reading this, much less replying to it?

I'll tell you why. Because you're obviously bored like everyone else. I, for one, will talk about any player in the entire league if I so desire at any given moment.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Thank you mitch, I'll remember to check with you first to see if it's alright to comment next time.

Let me explain something to you. When a team invests as much as this team has the last two years in upgrading it's safeties, it is not a moot point to bring up the struggles of Harper or Jenkins. It pertains to the conversation. But more importantly, why are you worried about two people who aren't talking to you? If what we're talking about doesn't matter then why are you even reading this, much less replying to it?

I'll tell you why. Because you're obviously bored like everyone else. I, for one, will talk about any player in the entire league if I so desire at any given moment.
Harper was a very good in the box strong safety, why do you think the team invested so much in him in the first place? Could it be that at the time he was great where Gregg Williams loved to play him?
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I disagree that he stunk at it the majority of the time. He started for 4 different coordinators, made two pro-bowls, earned more game balls than anyone else on our defense under Gregg Williams. He was a classic SS that was too often a scapegoat for every problem this defense had.

When used as a strong safety, he played well. He was nowhere near as bad as many made him out to be. He's obviously not as good now as he used to be and his salary exceeded his contributions. Lance Moore was also released, did he suck? Jed Collins was released, did he suck? Scott Fujita was let go, did he suck? Jonathan Vilma wasn't resigned, at one time he was one of the best MLB's in the league, I guess he sucked too? We let Chris Ivory walk, did he suck? Joique Bell? Did he suck? Reggie Bush?
Again, the Saints invested very little in their defense for many years, and so it makes no difference if he played for 4 or 40 coordinators. I've rebutted the pro bowl argument many times, and I'll do it again. He made pro bowls for the amount of sacks he used to get when he was basically used as an extra linebacker under williams. It's the only thing he ever did well. If you say he was good at that, I'd agree with you. But telling me he was great in coverage 90% of the time is bugus.

As for all the players you mentioned, they all sucked at the time of their release. You've been defending Harper all along. You've made every indication that he's still one of the better Strong safeties in the league. Why are you suddenly changing your mind to fit your argument?

And by the way, Reggie was traded, not released.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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