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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak You are still missing it. "Slot Receiver" is not a Wide Receiver owned role. He didn't line up as a Wide Receiver, he lined up as a slot... Just because traditionally a Wide Receiver lines up ...

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Old 04-10-2014, 02:46 PM   #11
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You are still missing it. "Slot Receiver" is not a Wide Receiver owned role. He didn't line up as a Wide Receiver, he lined up as a slot...

Just because traditionally a Wide Receiver lines up in the slot doesn't make it a Wide Receiver position... Just line a kick returner is not a Wide Receiver even though that role is normally played by Wide Receivers.
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In the strict language of the CBA there is no such position as a "wide out" or a "slot receiver".


BTW Jimmy Graham has the right to challenge and has chosen not to.
No, once again, I'm not missing it. Maybe if I put it this way.

Try not to think about the time at slot receiver.

Why would player A that only lines up wide 20% of the time be a wide receiver and player B that lines up at the wide receiver spot 25% not be a wide receiver?

Yes, I realize Graham hasn't filed a grievance. I don't think he will. Losing the appeal would cost him more in the negotiations than winning it could gain him. This is purely theoretical.
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:17 PM   #12
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No, once again, I'm not missing it. Maybe if I put it this way.



Try not to think about the time at slot receiver.



Why would player A that only lines up wide 20% of the time be a wide receiver and player B that lines up at the wide receiver spot 25% not be a wide receiver?



Yes, I realize Graham hasn't filed a grievance. I don't think he will. Losing the appeal would cost him more in the negotiations than winning it could gain him. This is purely theoretical.

Correct me if I an wrong but the % are not in favor of Graham being a WR based on him lining up at the Z/X/WR, they are only for the Y/Slot Receiver.


Slot is between the Tackle and Wide Receiver.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slotback

So is TE
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_end


Most of the talking heads are lumping Slot and WR snap counts together. Jimmy's true WR snap count is lower than 50%.

Look at how it is framed in the header.. "Slot is *traditionally* a WR, but they do make the distinction of the two.


http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...43&src=desktop


This may be clearer.... Lance Moore and Jimmy Graham both play a lot of slot; one is a WR, the other is a TE.

The difference between Tight End and Slot is only whether he is on or off the line.... The difference between WR and Slot is 5-8 yards is say.

If Jimmy line up in the slot/Y more than 50% he is a TE, if he was an X/Z/WR more than 50% then he has an argument.

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What the hell happened to this thread. Lets get excited about resigning THE GINGER GIANT!
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Re: Loomis: No deadline for Graham deal

Graham hasn't challenged it. I respect that.
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Re: Loomis: No deadline for Graham deal

The Saints never like to show their hand. There will be a deal done before training camp, but just because Mickey isn't coming straight out and saying exactly where they're at there will always be speculation.
Reminds me of SP's contract crap-up last year...when all the talking heads said he would sign with Cowboys.
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What the hell happened to this thread. Lets get excited about resigning THE GINGER GIANT!
Sorry, didn't mean to be a buzz kill.


Geaux Saints!!
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Old 04-10-2014, 04:57 PM   #18
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Re: Loomis: No deadline for Graham deal

Back to the OP
it seems the longer JG is 'unsigned' the more players we get. Jimmy's patience is helping us redefine our secondary
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Re: Loomis: No deadline for Graham deal

It's all a media creation, as evidenced by the fact that Jimmy doesn't seem to give a crap. Everyone knows a long-term deal will get done without any issues but it's Mike Florio over at TMZ, oops I mean PFT and his peers who insist that this is all so dramatic.
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He wrote today that Jimmy has 3 years to file grievance.
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