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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by papz You're making this way more serious than it is. I don't even see why it has to even go that route. I'm actually a little disgusted we're even comparing American soldiers to football players. There's nothing ...

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Old 04-15-2014, 01:28 PM   #41
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You're making this way more serious than it is. I don't even see why it has to even go that route. I'm actually a little disgusted we're even comparing American soldiers to football players.

There's nothing wrong with working your way up the food chain.

Hey, you just graduated college with limited work experience. You want to be the CEO of our company?

Hey, you just got drafted. Here's the keys to our billion dollar franchise. I hope you're ready!

Not the same concepts need to be applied to every single situation in life the same. There's not just one way to do everything.
Don't be disgusted papz, I'm a combat veteran. But if you don't care for the soldier analogy. A NOPD recruit must have 2 years of college or military service, so at 20 they are paid 36k/year handed a firearm after training and they become CEO of the community.

There are plenty of 20 year old CEOs that didn't go to college but own and run their own companies for less than $100k/year, while also raising their children. I haven't seen a model yet where a drafted QB is given the keys to a franchise. The levels of mentoring and management between him and (free-to-decide) owner are a great many. But you know this already papz, from your previous post "At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what some drafted QB wants to do... it's really not their call. "

The "they are kids" argument just doesn't sit well with me, somehow less than 25 years old is viewed as a kid yet they are grownups with grownup responsibilities in their every day life.

Those rookies have been hammered since freshmen in high school with "time to grow up and prepare for life", "time to start making responsible decisions", "time to make something of your self".. Only to enter the work force and have someone say "they are kids, you cant expect them to act like adults and handle responsibility"? Even the rookies that grew up in broken homes were pounded daily by teachers in HS or College about handling their business.

Here is the rub on college graduate with zero work experience. Unless they pull an intern gig somewhere, you are correct, they graduate with little real world experience, everything is theoretical. A drafted first round QB has been under Center doing that same job for years by the time he reaches the NFL, only difference is that its for a Corporation and he gets paid more. I recognize that the weight of the pay and playing in the NFL is immense, that's why teams vet the heck out of rookies before they draft them.

Some are thrown into the fire because at the end of the day that is the only way to know how that multimillion dollar investment will handle the pressures of the playoffs and Superbowl. As far as Rodgers and Brady, not exactly the norm. One became a starter because someone else was injured and the other was unlucky enough to get drafted by a team that had a QB that didn't know when it was time to go to pasture.
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:28 PM   #42
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Don't be disgusted papz, I'm a combat veteran. But if you don't care for the soldier analogy. A NOPD recruit must have 2 years of college or military service, so at 20 they are paid 36k/year handed a firearm after training and they become CEO of the community.
And clearly not all are ready. And when mistakes are made, it can be fatal/disastrous.

There are plenty of 20 year old CEOs that didn't go to college but own and run their own companies for less than $100k/year, while also raising their children. I haven't seen a model yet where a drafted QB is given the keys to a franchise. The levels of mentoring and management between him and (free-to-decide) owner are a great many. But you know this already papz, from your previous post "At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what some drafted QB wants to do... it's really not their call. "
I'm really confused at what you're trying to get at here. Is my statement contradicting something I've said?

The "they are kids" argument just doesn't sit well with me, somehow less than 25 years old is viewed as a kid yet they are grownups with grownup responsibilities in their every day life.
Not everyone is developed at the same rate. Not everyone is as mature the next person. There's so much more risk involved putting people into positions they're not ready for. In real life, in the Army, in football, in everything. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. There's no exact science to these types of things.

Those rookies have been hammered since freshmen in high school with "time to grow up and prepare for life", "time to start making responsible decisions", "time to make something of your self".. Only to enter the work force and have someone say "they are kids, you cant expect them to act like adults and handle responsibility"? Even the rookies that grew up in broken homes were pounded daily by teachers in HS or College about handling their business.

Here is the rub on college graduate with zero work experience. Unless they pull an intern gig somewhere, you are correct, they graduate with little real world experience, everything is theoretical. A drafted first round QB has been under Center doing that same job for years by the time he reaches the NFL, only difference is that its for a Corporation and he gets paid more. I recognize that the weight of the pay and playing in the NFL is immense, that's why teams vet the heck out of rookies before they draft them.
And yet a high number for quarterback prospects are bust. Why? Because they weren't ready. Whether is was poor development during years prior, work ethic, sheer lack of talent, etc. Just because they play HS and college ball, doesn't make them NFL ready. That is not always the case. And throwing them right into the fire isn't the only option... which I will continue to harp on.

Some are thrown into the fire because at the end of the day that is the only way to know how that multimillion dollar investment will handle the pressures of the playoffs and Superbowl. As far as Rodgers and Brady, not exactly the norm. One became a starter because someone else was injured and the other was unlucky enough to get drafted by a team that had a QB that didn't know when it was time to go to pasture.
Out of all this, I'm missing where it may seem I'm against throwing players right into the fire to see if they've got it or not. Once again, my whole point is that there isn't just one way to do things.

Some of these kids are getting paid on potential. Lots of rough diamonds enter the NFL every year... some needs more polish than others. It's not always the smart thing to approach every situation the same.
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I think deep down inside this conversation is about way more than just football and that you need to hash out somewhere.
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I think deep down inside this conversation is about way more than just football and that you need to hash out somewhere.
Deep down inside it is all about football and the way we have players suspended 1/2 a season, and a coach suspended for a full season for things yet to be proven, yet other teams have 3 strike convicts making bomb threats in an airport that get a slap on the hand and will stay in the league and their coaches are never touched.

Its about fans that support a league that would never be allowed to carry on the way players do, or fail at our jobs because they are a sizable investment. Its about the NFL and its accountability or lack there of depending on the financial impact. Its all about football brother, all about the NFL.

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I can understand Jaws angle on this but he is simply not a fan of Teddy or Johnny Football.
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