Go Back   New Orleans Saints - blackandgold.com > Main > Saints

Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by lee909 I know the difference. Maybe have not explained it properly though. Ill retype it later. My point is that I get we would received 2 of the Rams number one picks (2014/15) pick if the made ...

Like Tree7Likes

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-16-2014, 11:13 AM   #11
Site Donor 2014
Truth Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Spanish Fort Alabama
Posts: 16,829
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by lee909 View Post
I know the difference.
Maybe have not explained it properly though. Ill retype it later. My point is that I get we would received 2 of the Rams number one picks (2014/15) pick if the made Graham a offer we didn't match. What im saying is that the team receiving the picks should be able to choose to use the second oick (2015) at the end of the 2014 draft as they are the team loosing talent.

The second part is just my thoughts on compensatory picks in the draft. I do not like the way some teams play it to get multiple additional picks in rounds 3/4/5.
I think you're confused by Oak's confusion.

I think Oak is stating that the OP is confusing several items, unless I am also confused.
TheOak likes this.
Danno is offline  
Latest Blogs


Saints: A glimpse of the future Last Blog: 11-19-2014 By: lee909


What i tell you ! !! ! Last Blog: 11-02-2014 By: SAINTstunna


Old 04-16-2014, 11:21 AM   #12
Site Donor 2014
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Watford England
Posts: 3,610
Blog Entries: 1
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Well in now really confused.
Its been a long week, the sooner the Easter Weekend kicks in the better
lee909 is offline  
Old 04-16-2014, 12:39 PM   #13
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cypress Tx.
Posts: 16,193
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by lee909 View Post
Well in now really confused.
Its been a long week, the sooner the Easter Weekend kicks in the better
I was referencing the OP.

Earlier in the year there was some speculation that the rams might be interested in Jimmy, if I recall. Before Jimmy was tagged.

Somehow the 2x First round picks as compensation was turned into 1 second round pick as trade.

The 2 First round Compensation picks have to be original draft picks.

Will is upset the Rams are shopping a 2nd round pick that the Rams can shop as they please.


TheOak is offline  
Old 04-16-2014, 12:47 PM   #14
Site Donor
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 11,240
Blog Entries: 5
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

TheOak likes this.
saintfan is online now  
Old 04-16-2014, 03:36 PM   #15
The Professor
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lithonia, GA
Posts: 1,474
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
I was referencing the OP.

Earlier in the year there was some speculation that the rams might be interested in Jimmy, if I recall. Before Jimmy was tagged.
OK.

Somehow the 2x First round picks as compensation was turned into 1 second round pick as trade.
Um, that's not how I read it. I'm not trying to muddy the waters any more than they already are...

The 2 First round Compensation picks have to be original draft picks.
That is absolutely correct. The Rams original 1st round pick this year is #12. So as stated before the only picks that could be given in compensation are the Rams' original 2014 pick, #12, and their first round 2015 pick.

But to reiterate, this is only for compensation if the Rams were to sign JG to an offer sheet and the Saints declined to match it.

Will is upset the Rams are shopping a 2nd round pick that the Rams can shop as they please.
Now this is one of the items I wanted to clear up. The Rams have another 2014 1st round draft pick. It is the #2 pick. It is the pick of the Washington Redskins that was traded as part of the package to draft RG3 in 2012.

So the Rams are not shopping a 2nd round pick. They are shopping their 1st round pick #2.

Since this isn't an original draft pick for the team, it cannot be a part of any compensation package for signing JG to an offer.

The second item I wanted to address is the thinking that the Saints really have a way that they can trade JG at this point. They cannot. JG is not under contract. Because of the franchise tag, the Saints retain the right of matching an offer. But since JG does not have a contract with the team at this time, the Saints have no ability to trade JG. JG is a franchised free agent. He is a free agent. I say again, he is a free agent. But with the tag, it'll cost any team two original draft picks to sign him. And that's only if the Saints then decline to match.

Of course I think the point is just about as moot as the discussion two years ago with the crazy idea that Brees and the Saints were somehow not going to come to an agreement.

Several months ago I gave the timeline. We're right on schedule. Next up is the end of this week with the deadline for filing a grievance on the tag to have JG upgraded to WR. It will happen. JG should fire Jimmy Sexton, his agent, if it doesn't. It means nothing.

Next will be the ruling. JG will most likely retain the TE tag. One way or the other this means a bit more because whoever wins will have a bit more negotiating leverage.

You can then put it on snooze during OTAs. JG will not be there. He'll take his vacation, head to Miami and work out most likely.

Wake up about July 10th for the upcoming July 15th deadline for signing the tender. JG will do that. Jimmy Sexton and Mickey Loomis should be ironing out the final details about this time.

Third week of July, a big signing will be announced just in time for training camp.

I said it several months ago. I reiterate it now. It's going to play out exactly as specified.

SFIAH

The Saints have been to playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and a own a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
SaintFanInATLHELL is offline  
Old 04-16-2014, 04:54 PM   #16
Site Donor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 3,911
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

All quite confusing.

I think we can safely end it
by saying we have JG for this year, so have no reason to trade him for a #12 pick, especially when we would get two # 1's if some insane team signed him to an offer sheet.

No need to waste brain cells on speculation, especially if the 'desired' result doesn't benefit the team
ScottF is offline  
Old 04-16-2014, 05:24 PM   #17
The Professor
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lithonia, GA
Posts: 1,474
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by ScottF View Post
All quite confusing.
Not really.
I think we can safely end it
by saying we have JG for this year, so have no reason to trade him for a #12 pick, especially when we would get two # 1's if some insane team signed him to an offer sheet.
Again, we cannot trade a player that is not under contract. JG is currently a free agent. We cannot get a #12, a #2, a 2015 1st round, or anything else for that player at this time. JG is at this moment not at Saint. He is currently an NFL player without a team.

No need to waste brain cells on speculation, especially if the 'desired' result doesn't benefit the team
Agreed. The argument is moot precisely because no one is insane enough to give up 2 #1 original draft picks for JG (or frankly any other NFL player).

SFIAH
SaintFanInATLHELL is offline  
Old 04-16-2014, 05:33 PM   #18
Site Donor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 3,911
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
Not really.


Again, we cannot trade a player that is not under contract. JG is currently a free agent. We cannot get a #12, a #2, a 2015 1st round, or anything else for that player at this time. JG is at this moment not at Saint. He is currently an NFL player without a team.



Agreed. The argument is moot precisely because no one is insane enough to give up 2 #1 original draft picks for JG (or frankly any other NFL player).

SFIAH
I am not an expert on the franchise tag, but I do know that we own his rights. JG has a one year $7.04 million contract with the us for 2014.

PS-- wth is with this weather?? 27 this morning in ATL!!
ScottF is offline  
Old 04-16-2014, 05:45 PM   #19
The Professor
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lithonia, GA
Posts: 1,474
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by ScottF View Post
I am not an expert on the franchise tag, but I do know that we own his rights. JG has a one year $7.04 million contract with the us for 2014.
No. He has a $7.04 million franchise tender. It's not a contract until he signs it.
It's a non exclusive franchise tag. This gives JG the opportunity to sign with any team under any terms. It's a restricted form of free agency. But it is still free agency.

In order to trade JG (idle speculation people, not reality) the Saints would have to first sign him to a contract. The team would then be on the hook for any guaranteed money on that contract even after the trade occurs. That's just as about as insane as any other team giving up 2 1st round picks.

PS-- wth is with this weather?? 27 this morning in ATL!!
It's nuts. 80 degrees one day, 30 degrees the next.

SFIAH

The Saints have been to playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and a own a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
SaintFanInATLHELL is offline  
Old 04-17-2014, 01:05 AM   #20
1000 Posts +
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,006
Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Oh okay, I see now(brainbubble).

But maybe we could still trade up for their pick for our first and another of our 8 picks?
WillSaints81 is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules

LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://blackandgold.com/saints/65496-remember-when-we-thought-graham-could-traded-rams.html
Posted By For Type Date Hits
Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams? This thread Refback 04-16-2014 01:46 AM 135
The Latest New Orleans Saints News | SportSpyder This thread Refback 04-15-2014 11:56 PM 16


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:49 AM.


Copyright 1997 - 2013 - BlackandGold.com
no new posts