Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White

brees84 · 05-28-2014, 02:07 PM

Hey, at least nobody embarrassed themselves.

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TheGambler · 05-28-2014, 02:20 PM

White should have offered him the number. There's these things called humility and respect. Champ Bailey is a future Hall of Famer. I like to believe that if Deion Sanders had been # 24 instead of # 21 when he got to Washington in 2000, then Champ would have given the number. Obviously I don't have any way of knowing that, but I suspect that's how it would have happened.

Jamessr · 05-29-2014, 11:39 AM

I would have given up the number. Bailey has alot to offer...
Then again I could really care less

burningmetal · 05-29-2014, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

zero achievements? i would not go that far.

White has done well enough to stick with the club and has improved every year in pass coverage. is he a finished product? i hope not or he can be replaced down the road. sweeting is not a threat at this point.

Rod has some coaching needs but he is very smart and will keep the play in front of him and minimize the damage. White takes more risk and that leads to giving up position.

one draft and a FA added does not make the CB a deep talented group. It has made them better but in no way should the saints be happy with DB group as a whole. plenty of room for upgrading if players peek out.

Being on the team is not an on field achievement. I can give you a long list of guys who "achieved" things if that's your criteria.

Jim Everett, Heath Shuler, Jason David, Jonathan Sullivan, Danny Woeful (yes, I meant to say that), Sedrick Ellis.... and on we could go.

I see no proof of White getting better in coverage. We just have a few White supporters saying that he's improving. If anyone can give me an example that would be something new.

Danno · 05-29-2014, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Being on the team is not an on field achievement. I can give you a long list of guys who "achieved" things if that's your criteria.

Jim Everett, Heath Shuler, Jason David, Jonathan Sullivan, Danny Woeful (yes, I meant to say that), Sedrick Ellis.... and on we could go.

I see no proof of White getting better in coverage. We just have a few White supporters saying that he's improving. If anyone can give me an example that would be something new.

Perhaps the coaches should just list the players in order of how good they are and let them choose their numbers every year.

If Champ wants Keenan Lewis's number, should he get it?
If Jairus Byrd wants Vaccaro's number, should he get it?
If Brandin Cooks wants Stills' number, should he get it?

I saw White make numerous plays last year, especially at nickle. He sure looked like he was improving to me.

jeanpierre · 05-29-2014, 04:20 PM

Exhibit A (excerpt courtesy of ProFootball Focus)

Corey White, CB, New Orleans Saints

With a big win over the Carolina Panthers on Sunday night, the New Orleans Saints seized control of the NFC South...plenty of other players on the roster stepped up, with no player from the Saints finishing the game with a grade lower than -1.0. Last season’s fifth round draft pick, and current starting cornerback, Corey White (+3.7) did more than that, finishing as our highest graded cornerback in Week 14.

He was one of three starting cornerbacks to not allow a reception on Sunday, with a pass breakup and two incompletions coming from the three passes into his coverage. That gave him perfect Yards Per Coverage Snap and Coverage Snaps Per Reception averages of 0.0. The pass breakup came on 1st-and-20 with 14:28 left in the game, with White getting him arm between receiver Ted Ginn and the ball on a hitch route. It all added up to White having the highest graded game of his career, playing at a level the Saints will be hopeful he can maintain down the stretch.

Source: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ars-week-14-2/

Burn, keep in mind, he was a fifth round pick...But that was the level he was playing at in his first full-on opportunity...

Jack Vegas · 05-29-2014, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

If anyone can give me an example that would be something new.

And if anybody could give me an example of why they believe he's so terrible that didn't involve his first game-and-a-half as a starting corner, that would REALLY be something new.

Keenan Lewis struggled early in his career, and a lot more than White. By his third season, he had turned it completely around, But still, you know what his nickname in Pittsburgh was? "The Bust". Right up until he left in free agency. Hell, some of them still think he sucks. Players at certain positions, CB being one of them, get labeled by certain fans and no matter how well they play they still have that label. No matter how misplaced it is. The same people who bash White will have endless praise for Jabari Greer, and yeah, Greer earned respect, but I will tell you right now that White straight-up played better than Greer last year. Period.

Also, putting Jim Everett's name along with that bunch of players you listed is 100% full-on ignorant.

Rugby Saint II · 06-02-2014, 03:45 PM

I feel good about the depth at corner. P Rob has the opportunity to show coaches he is over the hump and can contribute. If not then I feel good about White........he could be this years sleeper.
The players that we get back from IR will boost our performance immediately.

QBREES9 · 06-02-2014, 11:28 PM

Good for Corey. Keep your number.

05-28-2014, 02:07 PM	#11
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05-28-2014, 02:20 PM	#12
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White White should have offered him the number. There's these things called humility and respect. Champ Bailey is a future Hall of Famer. I like to believe that if Deion Sanders had been # 24 instead of # 21 when he got to Washington in 2000, then Champ would have given the number. Obviously I don't have any way of knowing that, but I suspect that's how it would have happened.
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05-29-2014, 11:39 AM	#13
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White I would have given up the number. Bailey has alot to offer... Then again I could really care less

05-29-2014, 04:00 PM	#14
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White Originally Posted by hagan714 zero achievements? i would not go that far. White has done well enough to stick with the club and has improved every year in pass coverage. is he a finished product? i hope not or he can be replaced down the road. sweeting is not a threat at this point. Rod has some coaching needs but he is very smart and will keep the play in front of him and minimize the damage. White takes more risk and that leads to giving up position. one draft and a FA added does not make the CB a deep talented group. It has made them better but in no way should the saints be happy with DB group as a whole. plenty of room for upgrading if players peek out. Being on the team is not an on field achievement. I can give you a long list of guys who "achieved" things if that's your criteria. Jim Everett, Heath Shuler, Jason David, Jonathan Sullivan, Danny Woeful (yes, I meant to say that), Sedrick Ellis.... and on we could go. I see no proof of White getting better in coverage. We just have a few White supporters saying that he's improving. If anyone can give me an example that would be something new.

05-29-2014, 04:12 PM	#15
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White Originally Posted by burningmetal Being on the team is not an on field achievement. I can give you a long list of guys who "achieved" things if that's your criteria. Jim Everett, Heath Shuler, Jason David, Jonathan Sullivan, Danny Woeful (yes, I meant to say that), Sedrick Ellis.... and on we could go. I see no proof of White getting better in coverage. We just have a few White supporters saying that he's improving. If anyone can give me an example that would be something new. Perhaps the coaches should just list the players in order of how good they are and let them choose their numbers every year. If Champ wants Keenan Lewis's number, should he get it? If Jairus Byrd wants Vaccaro's number, should he get it? If Brandin Cooks wants Stills' number, should he get it? I saw White make numerous plays last year, especially at nickle. He sure looked like he was improving to me. K Major likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White Exhibit A (excerpt courtesy of ProFootball Focus) Corey White, CB, New Orleans Saints With a big win over the Carolina Panthers on Sunday night, the New Orleans Saints seized control of the NFC South...plenty of other players on the roster stepped up, with no player from the Saints finishing the game with a grade lower than -1.0. Last season’s fifth round draft pick, and current starting cornerback, Corey White (+3.7) did more than that, finishing as our highest graded cornerback in Week 14. He was one of three starting cornerbacks to not allow a reception on Sunday, with a pass breakup and two incompletions coming from the three passes into his coverage. That gave him perfect Yards Per Coverage Snap and Coverage Snaps Per Reception averages of 0.0. The pass breakup came on 1st-and-20 with 14:28 left in the game, with White getting him arm between receiver Ted Ginn and the ball on a hitch route. It all added up to White having the highest graded game of his career, playing at a level the Saints will be hopeful he can maintain down the stretch. Source: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ars-week-14-2/ Burn, keep in mind, he was a fifth round pick...But that was the level he was playing at in his first full-on opportunity... Danno, Jamessr and K Major like this.
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05-29-2014, 05:20 PM	#17
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White Originally Posted by burningmetal If anyone can give me an example that would be something new. And if anybody could give me an example of why they believe he's so terrible that didn't involve his first game-and-a-half as a starting corner, that would REALLY be something new. Keenan Lewis struggled early in his career, and a lot more than White. By his third season, he had turned it completely around, But still, you know what his nickname in Pittsburgh was? "The Bust". Right up until he left in free agency. Hell, some of them still think he sucks. Players at certain positions, CB being one of them, get labeled by certain fans and no matter how well they play they still have that label. No matter how misplaced it is. The same people who bash White will have endless praise for Jabari Greer, and yeah, Greer earned respect, but I will tell you right now that White straight-up played better than Greer last year. Period. Also, putting Jim Everett's name along with that bunch of players you listed is 100% full-on ignorant.
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06-02-2014, 03:45 PM	#18
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,722	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White I feel good about the depth at corner. P Rob has the opportunity to show coaches he is over the hump and can contribute. If not then I feel good about White........he could be this years sleeper. The players that we get back from IR will boost our performance immediately.

06-02-2014, 11:28 PM	#19
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: Bailey unable to intercept No. 24 from White Good for Corey. Keep your number. jeanpierre likes this.

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