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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Drew wasn't claiming anything. But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy. Do you actually think ...

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Old 06-19-2014, 08:58 AM   #61
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Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Drew wasn't claiming anything.
But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy.

Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND?

It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous.
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Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

football is a business sure but winning is profit. maximize your profit win it all.

accounting is a huge part of the game with out a doubt.

example Jimmy we win and you can bet your bottom dollar if a long term deal is not reached he will get tagged a second year in a row. usually makes no sense but as long as we can pay him top dollar as a TE and not a WR and he puts up the numbers again i do not see the balance sheet changing my opinion.

as far a the fair weather fans the NFL is catering to with all the rule changes to make this an offense sport i really would not waste to much time condemning them. they are what they are and most really do not care about the changes as long as it is fashionable to sit in the stands

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It just seems to me like both JG and the saints are letting the arbitration decide what he is actually worth. It's only logical for the saints not to overpay and the JG not to get underpaid. This could go either way.. but if the process is duly played out it just gives clarity to both parties on what number to settle on.
At the end of the day JG and Mickey have been true professionals and have handled the situation with poise and devoid of drama.

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Exactly! That is why this bashing of Graham is completely off-base.
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I'm bored of the JG saga. Tell me more about this Josh Hill you all like so much.
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But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy.

Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND?

It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous.
Of course he had to agree to allow the NFLPA to try their agenda. Why wouldn't he? But, what I have a problem with are the people vilifying him as a greedy, selfish individual and making false claims that he has made comments about the case and such.

Graham is going to get the same deal, more or less, regardless of how the hearing turns out. It will have very little impact on the overall numbers involved. Graham knows that this is an important question concerning the language within the CBA that needs to be addressed. But, I wonder if he would have agreed to this if he had known the stupidity of some of the fans and much of the press and how his name would be unduly dragged through the mud.

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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
I'm bored of the JG saga. Tell me more about this Josh Hill you all like so much.
Define you all and like so much.
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
I'm bored of the JG saga. Tell me more about this Josh Hill you all like so much.
No kidding. Some people act like they're dating his momma.

Don't know much about Hill other than he went to Idaho State. He grew up in a small town in Eastern Idaho not far from me. I think he's got the height and the athleticism. Just not sure he's going to get much of a chance to play with JG and Watson on the roster.
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Again, who is Gerry V and more importantly, why should I give a rat's ass?
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Of course he had to agree to allow the NFLPA to try their agenda. Why wouldn't he? But, what I have a problem with are the people vilifying him as a greedy, selfish individual and making false claims that he has made comments about the case and such.

Graham is going to get the same deal, more or less, regardless of how the hearing turns out. It will have very little impact on the overall numbers involved. Graham knows that this is an important question concerning the language within the CBA that needs to be addressed. But, I wonder if he would have agreed to this if he had known the stupidity of some of the fans and much of the press and how his name would be unduly dragged through the mud.

It's not the fans of the Saints being stupid, it's the money grab of a TE that is trying to get WR money from the Saints. Now I believe as a WR I saw somewhere where he graded 91 out of 112 WR, thats no where near top WR money, where 91st falls on the paybooks might be more of an interesting question than one of the top TE's in the league. Still with me. And now you are 100% correct when you say he let the NFLPA file the grievence on his behalf, but before they could do this it was Jimmy giving the O.K. to do it, without his O.K. they could not file a thing on his behalf. So looking at him as Mr. Innocent is looking at him through rose-colored glasses. I'm glad the Saints saw this grievence through, win or lose and if Jimmy wins WR money and we pay I just wonder how many other players on the team get cut or take a cut to give it to a no blocking, alligator arm , TE posing as a WR.
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It's not the fans of the Saints being stupid, it's the money grab of a TE that is trying to get WR money from the Saints. Now I believe as a WR I saw somewhere where he graded 91 out of 112 WR, thats no where near top WR money, where 91st falls on the paybooks might be more of an interesting question than one of the top TE's in the league. Still with me. And now you are 100% correct when you say he let the NFLPA file the grievence on his behalf, but before they could do this it was Jimmy giving the O.K. to do it, without his O.K. they could not file a thing on his behalf. So looking at him as Mr. Innocent is looking at him through rose-colored glasses. I'm glad the Saints saw this grievence through, win or lose and if Jimmy wins WR money and we pay I just wonder how many other players on the team get cut or take a cut to give it to a no blocking, alligator arm , TE posing as a WR.
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