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jeanpierre 07-07-2014 08:48 AM
2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
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32-lineups-NO- Though he wasn’t an every-down player for the Saints last year, we felt that tight end Ben Watson was good enough to bump up to “Good Starter”. Grading positively both as a receiver and as a run blocker, and with a +11.0 grade overall, it was clear “Average Starter” wasn’t giving him the credit he deserves.

- Though he was only a rookie year ago, Kenny Stills wasn’t really good enough to call an “Average Starter”. He had some strong games in the first half of the season, but a fairly lacklustre second half of the season saw him finish with a grade of -6.4 as a receiver.

- He only started four games, but Terron Armstead played enough snaps for us to form at least some opinion of where he is as a player. We didn’t want to get too carried away with the three strong performances to end the season, where he graded at +8.4, so went with “Average Starter” for now, but it’s clear that he has the potential to be a very good player for the Saints.

See the updated depth chart: New Orleans Saints

Source: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ate-nfc-south/

jeanpierre 07-07-2014 08:49 AM
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Schmohams 07-07-2014 10:42 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Erik Lorig, Ben Grubbs, Terron Armstead, and Jahari Evans will all boost their grades this year making the roster look even greater

Rugby Saint II 07-07-2014 05:00 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Just imagine when the unknowns become well known. That chart is going to pop with color.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2014 05:43 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 598985)
Just imagine when the unknowns become well known. That chart is going to pop with color.
Toward the cooler end of the spectrum.

jeanpierre 07-07-2014 05:46 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Big John Jenkins was as good as Bunkley last season...

Keenan Lewis has got to be the darkest green as he's damn near Elite...

Haralson and Dawson should be swapped; and I'm not so sure Haralson won't start ahead of Butler; in fact, I look for the rookie Powell to be in the mix...

Love Zach Strief, but Elite?!? C'mon...

Cam Jordan should be Elite and Akiem Hicks should be High Quality...

Thanks for putting the chip on Stills shoulder; Coach Payton has already stated he intends to remedy getting Stills the ball more...

Jahri Evans has gone from Elite to Average...hmm

We have a High Quality Starter at LongSnapper...

Seer1 07-07-2014 06:28 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 598993)


We have a High Quality Starter at LongSnapper...

Now if we can get someone above barely average in the PK slot to snap it to...

K Major 07-07-2014 09:48 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
What is the scouting report on Vic Butler? I think he should be colored gray ... at least for now.

jeanpierre 07-08-2014 06:58 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 598999)
What is the scouting report on Vic Butler? I think he should be colored gray ... at least for now.
In PFF focus view, he grades out as an average starter based on backup play/spot duty in Dallas as a backup to Anthony Spencer and Demarcus Ware...

He hasn't played a down for the Saints...

hagan714 07-11-2014 01:42 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 598993)
Big John Jenkins was as good as Bunkley last season...
hands down made The Bunk expendable.

jeanpierre 07-12-2014 01:27 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 599238)
hands down made The Bunk expendable.

Well, you gotta have a rotation at that position to prevent serious injury and to maintain game start to stop effectiveness...

But it's about as good as you get; though I'd like to have had McCullers, the mammoth NT from Tennessee with either that fifth or sixth round pick to develop inline this season...

jeanpierre 07-12-2014 09:13 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Archie Says This Is The Best Team We've Had To Start The Season...on paper...


SAINTS PROJECTED DEPTH CHART - 2014


OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Ryan Griffin

RB (5) Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson, Travaris Cadet, Tim Flanders (UDFA)

FB (1) Erik Lorig

WR (3) Marques Colston, Brandin Cooks (R1, 20), Nick Toon

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Tavon Rooks (R6, 202)

LG (1) Ben Grubbs

C (2) Tim Lelito, Jonathan Goodwin, Matt Armstrong (UDFA)

RG (1) Jahri Evans

RT (2) Zach Strief, Bryce Harris

TE (3) Jimmy Graham (Franchise, NE), Benjamin Watson, Josh Hill, Je'Ron Hamm (UDFA)

WR (3) Kenny Stills, Robert Meachem, Brandon Coleman (UDFA)


DEFENSE

DE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tyrunn Walker

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins

DE (3) Akiem Hicks, Glenn Foster, George Uko (UDFA)

OLB (2) Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson, Kyle Knox

ILB (3) Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick

ILB (2) David Hawthorne, Khairi Fortt (R4, 126)

OLB (2) Parys Haralson, Victor Butler, Ronald Powell (R5, 169)

CB (2) Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Marcus Ball

FS (2) Jarius Byrd, Rafael Bush (RFA), Ty Zimmerman (UDFA)

CB (3) Champ Bailey, Corey White, Stanley Jean-Baptiste (R2, 58)

SPECIALISTS

K (1) Shayne Graham

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

H Thomas Morstead

PR Brandin Cooks (R1, 20)

KR Travaris Cadet, Pierre Thomas

KO Thomas Morstead, Shayne Graham


KEY:

POS (#Likely Slots)

Projected Starter

Franchise Tagged/Restricted - Unsigned

Free Agent

Free Agent (RFA) {Restricted Free Agent}

Free Agent (ERFA) {Exclusive Rights Free Agent}

Free Agent (FC) {Futures Contract}

Draft Pick (R#, Pick#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA)

jeanpierre 07-16-2014 10:37 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

Estimated Cap Space > $4,623,821

Emergency Fund? Keep Spending?

AsylumGuido 07-16-2014 10:56 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 599774)
» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

Estimated Cap Space > $4,623,821

Emergency Fund? Keep Spending?
I would hold in reserve and carry forward to 2015 if not needed.

jeanpierre 07-16-2014 11:39 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 599776)
I would hold in reserve and carry forward to 2015 if not needed.
I'm thinking about the contracts for Jordan and Hicks...

AsylumGuido 07-16-2014 11:49 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 599780)
I'm thinking about the contracts for Jordan and Hicks...
Yup. That could help out there for sure. Brees is also most likely going to get an extension after this season that will also free up considerable cap space for that purpose.

jeanpierre 07-16-2014 05:36 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 599783)
Yup. That could help out there for sure. Brees is also most likely going to get an extension after this season that will also free up considerable cap space for that purpose.
I can't see signing Brees at that age...

halloween 65 07-16-2014 05:47 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 599821)
I can't see signing Brees at that age...
This might get good.

AsylumGuido 07-16-2014 06:20 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 599821)
I can't see signing Brees at that age...
It is going to happen. Brees was quoted recently that he felt he could play at the same level into his 40's. With the way he works and the recent advances I have no doubt. Brees at his age is in FAR better physical condition than Manning at the same age.

AsylumGuido 07-16-2014 06:23 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 599827)
This might get good.
It will continue to be good for several years because Brees will be around and at that time will be easing into that portion of his career where he has already made his money.

jeanpierre 07-17-2014 03:24 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 599831)
It is going to happen. Brees was quoted recently that he felt he could play at the same level into his 40's. With the way he works and the recent advances I have no doubt. Brees at his age is in FAR better physical condition than Manning at the same age.

Vilma still thought he could play as well...

Brees' experience and knowledge is as good as anyone on the league...

But we're seeing more and more underthrown long balls to the receivers the past three seasons...

And those nifty feet in the pocket are getting a bit slower - though Grubbs has been an oversign, overpay and been no where near as effective as Nicks was - and there've been a few missed opportunities where Brees could've pulled the ball down and ran for the first that also lean towards this trend...

Not sure yet if Payton's move of Griffin to the active squad as a counter to the Rams' practice squad waiver claim last season was a counter to inflating his value or if he feels this is his "next" guy - if Griffin beats out the other McCown, it could be telling...

But Brees turns 36 this season - Saints should still be playing mid-January according to Archie's roster assessment - and I don't see extending that contract when the current one is not even finished...

And so there's the reality of age that is there whether we want to face it or neaux...

QBREES9 07-18-2014 12:45 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 598947)
Erik Lorig, Ben Grubbs, Terron Armstead, and Jahari Evans will all boost their grades this year making the roster look even greater
It begins and ends with these guys.

jeanpierre 07-18-2014 08:03 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 599952)
It begins and ends with these guys.

Q, you hit it on the head - always the most overlooked but most important part of the team is the offensive line/blocking facet of the game...

Seer1 07-18-2014 09:28 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 599991)

Q, you hit it on the head - always the most overlooked but most important part of the team is the offensive line/blocking facet of the game...
Man JP, I don't think any Saints fan's overlooking our OL right now.

jeanpierre 07-18-2014 03:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 599995)
Man JP, I don't think any Saints fan's overlooking our OL right now.
Part of that also is that the other team components are so much better since the '09 season; the defensive line, defensive secondary, wide receiver/tight end corps look to be something special...

AsylumGuido 07-18-2014 03:24 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 599874)

Vilma still thought he could play as well...

Brees' experience and knowledge is as good as anyone on the league...

But we're seeing more and more underthrown long balls to the receivers the past three seasons...

And those nifty feet in the pocket are getting a bit slower - though Grubbs has been an oversign, overpay and been no where near as effective as Nicks was - and there've been a few missed opportunities where Brees could've pulled the ball down and ran for the first that also lean towards this trend...

Not sure yet if Payton's move of Griffin to the active squad as a counter to the Rams' practice squad waiver claim last season was a counter to inflating his value or if he feels this is his "next" guy - if Griffin beats out the other McCown, it could be telling...

But Brees turns 36 this season - Saints should still be playing mid-January according to Archie's roster assessment - and I don't see extending that contract when the current one is not even finished...

And so there's the reality of age that is there whether we want to face it or neaux...
Brees' cap hits the next two seasons ($26.4M & $27.4M) only give the Saints two choices ... They either cut him or extend him with a restructure, much like what the Patriots did with Brady. There is no way the Saints are going to cut Brees prior to the 2015 season. Brees is still one of the very few elite QB's in the game and there is no reason given how he takes care of himself that he couldn't remain one of the best QB's in the game and far better than any other option.

The Dude 07-18-2014 10:45 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 598999)
What is the scouting report on Vic Butler? I think he should be colored gray ... at least for now.
Almost forgot about him. I expect big things from him this year.

halloween 65 07-18-2014 11:25 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 599833)
It will continue to be good for several years because Brees will be around and at that time will be easing into that portion of his career where he has already made his money.
Father time catches everyone. I don't see several more years with him taking shots like he has, conditioning or not. If it would ever come to a point like (Kenny Stabler) trying to milk out his career then I would be all for change, as long as Brees continues to play at a high level, then everything is good, or if he were in a position like John Elway winning 2 and riding off in the sunset, I would much rather Brees go out on top than fade away. 40 or so I would have to think no.

jeanpierre 07-19-2014 08:23 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Heat is on the following players:

Victor Butler
Mark Ingram, Jr
Curtis Lofton
Robert Meachem
Parys Haralson
Luke McCown
David Hawthorne
Nick Toon
Traveris Cadet

halloween 65 07-19-2014 09:06 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 600177)
Heat is on the following players:

Victor Butler
Mark Ingram, Jr
Curtis Lofton
Robert Meachem
Parys Haralson
Luke McCown
David Hawthorne
Nick Toon
Traveris Cadet
Yes but the heat should be on every player that suits up, if any starter would get beat out and so-be-it ,thats the only way to improve at each position. I never have liked the thought of being penciled in that only makes things weak.

jeanpierre 07-19-2014 10:55 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 600180)
Yes but the heat should be on every player that suits up, if any starter would get beat out and so-be-it ,thats the only way to improve at each position. I never have liked the thought of being penciled in that only makes things weak.
True...but the salary cap and the escalation penalties have made it prohibitive from cutting a player; hence, you get got penciled in like Grubbs, Lofton...

Utah_Saint 07-19-2014 11:14 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 600186)
True...but the salary cap and the escalation penalties have made it prohibitive from cutting a player; hence, you get got penciled in like Grubbs, Lofton...
But that works both ways. This season, Lofton will have to play at a level that proves he can't be replaced by a $4million/year LBer. Hawthorne will have to play better than a $3million. Otherwise, it's cheaper to cut them eat the dead money and pay a much cheaper player.

jeanpierre 07-20-2014 09:33 AM
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Utah, per OverTheCap, cutting Lofton and Hawthorne would result in "Cap Savings" of ($2,800,000) and ($1,020,000), respectively; of note when a value is in parenthesis, that's a negative, so they're penciled in, at least to the roster...

But Payton, which is why I love the Coach, will not let that stop him from starting or playing the better player more...

Source: » Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

SmashMouth 07-20-2014 09:40 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Nice link, JP. It shows we have about $13 million in dead money right now.

Now just what could we do with an additional $13 million?

Utah_Saint 07-20-2014 10:06 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 600214)
Utah, per OverTheCap, cutting Lofton and Hawthorne would result in "Cap Savings" of ($2,800,000) and ($1,020,000), respectively; of note when a value is in parenthesis, that's a negative, so they're penciled in, at least to the roster...

But Payton, which is why I love the Coach, will not let that stop him from starting or playing the better player more...

Source: » Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts
jeanpierre, those are the 2015 numbers I was referring too. I meant Lofton and Hawthorne have 2014 to prove themselves.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...curtis-lofton/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...vid-hawthorne/

jeanpierre 07-20-2014 11:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 600216)
jeanpierre, those are the 2015 numbers I was referring too. I meant Lofton and Hawthorne have 2014 to prove themselves.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...curtis-lofton/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...vid-hawthorne/
Right, definitely a "transition" year...

jeanpierre 07-20-2014 04:30 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 600215)
Nice link, JP. It shows we have about $13 million in dead money right now.

Now just what could we do with an additional $13 million?
Sign Megatron...

jeanpierre 07-22-2014 07:58 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
Here's what we have going into training camp...


SAINTS PROJECTED DEPTH CHART - 2014


OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Ryan Griffin

RB (5) Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson, Travaris Cadet, Tim Flanders (UDFA)

FB (1) Erik Lorig, Austin Johnson

WR (3) Marques Colston, Brandin Cooks (R1, 20), Nick Toon, Andy Tanner

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Tavon Rooks (R6, 202), Ty Nsekhe, Jason Weaver

LG (1) Ben Grubbs, Manase Foketi

C (2) Tim Lelito, Jonathan Goodwin, Matt Armstrong (UDFA)

RG (1) Jahri Evans, Senio Kelemete

RT (2) Zach Strief, Bryce Harris, Thomas Welch, Marcel Jones

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson, Josh Hill, Je'Ron Hamm (UDFA), Nic Jacobs

WR (3) Kenny Stills, Robert Meachem, Brandon Coleman (UDFA), Joe Morgan


DEFENSE

DE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tyrunn Walker, George Uko (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins

DE (3) Akiem Hicks, Glenn Foster, Brandon Deaderick

OLB (2) Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson, Chidera Uzo-Diribe

ILB (3) Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Khairi Fortt (R4, 126)

ILB (2) David Hawthorne, Kevin Reddick, Kyle Knox

OLB (2) Parys Haralson, Victor Butler, Ronald Powell (R5, 169), Cheta Ozougwu

CB (2) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, Patrick Robinson, Trevin Wade

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Vinnie Sunseri (R5, 169), Marcus Ball, Ty Zimmerman (UDFA)

FS (2) Jarius Byrd, Rafael Bush (RFA)

CB (3) Champ Bailey, Stanley Jean-Baptiste (R2, 58), Patrick Sweeting, Terrence Frederick

SPECIALISTS

K (1) Shayne Graham, Derek Dimke

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

H Thomas Morstead

PR Brandin Cooks (R1, 20), Travaris Cadet

KR Travaris Cadet, Pierre Thomas

KO Thomas Morstead, Shayne Graham


KEY:

POS (#Likely Slots)

Projected Starter

Franchise Tagged/Restricted - Unsigned

Free Agent

Free Agent (RFA) {Restricted Free Agent}

Free Agent (ERFA) {Exclusive Rights Free Agent}

Free Agent (FC) {Futures Contract}

Draft Pick (R#, Pick#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA)

jeanpierre 07-23-2014 11:45 PM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
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jeanpierre 07-26-2014 06:25 AM
Re: 2014 New Orleans Saints: Depth Chart
 
SAINTS PROJECTED DEPTH CHART - 2014


OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Ryan Griffin

RB (5) Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, Khiry Robinson, Travaris Cadet, Tim Flanders (UDFA)

FB (1) Erik Lorig

WR (3) Marques Colston, Brandin Cooks (R1, 20), Nick Toon

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Tavon Rooks (R6, 202)

LG (1) Ben Grubbs

C (2) Tim Lelito, Jonathan Goodwin

RG (1) Jahri Evans

RT (2) Zach Strief, Bryce Harris

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson, Josh Hill

WR (3) Kenny Stills, Robert Meachem, Brandon Coleman (UDFA)


DEFENSE

DE (3) Cameron Jordan, Tyrunn Walker, George Uko (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins

DE (2) Akiem Hicks, Glenn Foster

OLB (2) Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson

ILB (3) Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Khairi Fortt (R4, 126)

ILB (2) David Hawthorne, Kevin Reddick

OLB (2) Parys Haralson, Ronald Powell (R5, 169)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, Patrick Robinson

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro, Marcus Ball

FS (2) Jarius Byrd, Rafael Bush (RFA)

CB (2) Champ Bailey, Stanley Jean-Baptiste (R2, 58)

SPECIALISTS

K (1) Shayne Graham

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

H Thomas Morstead

PR Brandin Cooks (R1, 20), Travaris Cadet

KR Travaris Cadet, Pierre Thomas

KO Thomas Morstead, Shayne Graham


KEY:

POS (#Likely Slots)

Projected Starter

Franchise Tagged/Restricted - Unsigned

Free Agent

Free Agent (RFA) {Restricted Free Agent}

Free Agent (ERFA) {Exclusive Rights Free Agent}

Free Agent (FC) {Futures Contract}

Draft Pick (R#, Pick#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA)

Who'd I'd consider the odds on to be on the roster after camp...

Wish list would include another special teams returner, an inside offensive linemen, and an offensive tackle to develop...

See Haralson and Butler fighting it out for a spot and the other not on the team...

Don't like it but Lofton and Hawthorne have Salary Cap Job Security; that doesn't mean Payton won't play better options...

Austin Johnson has opportunity to upset Lorig at FB; will watch that one...

Meachem's salary cap number may make him suspect; but I'm not sure Coach wants that much turnover in the WR and he does offer much even if he was a bust as a Round one pick...

A good cornerback isn't going to make this roster; unless Robinson really regresses or caves during competition, I think he gets another oppotunity...

Sure wished we'd drafted another big Nose Tackle...


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