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Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

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Old 07-20-2014, 06:58 AM   #41
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:06 PM   #42
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

Neither Mora did much in the playoffs as coaches.
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Old 07-20-2014, 10:52 PM   #43
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

as much as i hate all the credit mora gets i do have to give him this. 49ers were freaking good. to bad it always seemed playing the niners was the biggest game for them
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Old 07-20-2014, 11:11 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by 44Champs View Post
Two words: Carl Smith. Biggest dumba$$ in Saints history
WRONG!

Allow me to enlighten...

I'm not one to listen to the Bobby Hebert Show; but I was glad I did that night on the way back from New Orleans three seasons back...

Bobby had Carl Smith on the show on a Monday Night and I couldn't wait till the broadcast emasculation...

Disgruntled caller called in and questioned Carl Smith's philosophy; what happened next was a surprise...

Before Smith could respond, Hebert politely interrupted his guest and set the record straight...

He said it was Coach Mora who would audit/thin the playbook because Mora didn't trust his staff or players...

Mora who would stubbornly run the same run plays because he wasn't happy when his offensive linemen would get beat by superior players...

Mora didn't like deviating from the playbook because he didn't respect a better player on the other team...

Hebert admitted there were better quarterbacks, but the offensive unit was more than capable of executing some brilliant designs that never got a chance...

But Mora micromanaged the game plan AND NEVER WOULD DEVIATE OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE GAME!!!

Carl Smith took the high road and said he was grateful to Jim Mora for the opportunity, but Hebert said there would have been more success if Mora had just trusted the very people he had selected...

So 44 and the rest who thought as I HAD once - Mora was right on this - "You Think You Know, But You Really Don't Know"...

So My Friends, Two Words why there wasn't more success - Jim Mora...

And if you think this post is FOS - here's another source...

"Former New Orleans Saints quarterback Bobby Hebert to this day still hears criticism of his longtime offensive coordinator Carl Smith about the bland, vanilla system the team ran when the two were together in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

The philosophy under then-Saints coach Jim Mora was to play suffocating defense and complement that with a ball-control offense. That style, though, rankled many Saints fans.

"People always talk about how he was too conservative," Hebert said. "He was just doing what he was told (by Mora). ... Make sure you put in your article was that was just being a good soldier."


Source: Former New Orleans Saints coordinator Carl Smith now grooming Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson | NOLA.com

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Old 07-20-2014, 11:35 PM   #45
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

He said it was Coach Mora who would audit/thin the playbook because Mora didn't trust his staff or players...

this i can believe. Mora was an ego maniac

but i did follow smith after. he turned up in new england early on and worked with Drew Bledsoe as a QB coach. Drew Bledsoe speaks highly of him. I just moved to Boston for the first time back then. I had nothing good to say about Smith. but by the time i moved i saw him in a different light. Drew game did improve a great deal

Since that time he has done a solid job as a QB coach around the League.

he had another stint in Jacksonville as OC and that was short lived. Now with the Seahawks as a QB coach again

That seems to be what he is best at.

so like is said Mora shoulders the blame. but to pick offensive coaches over defensive coaches on that team was stupid.

so i guess Smith first real shot at OC came because Mora could use him as a door mat.

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Old 07-21-2014, 12:49 AM   #46
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as much as i hate all the credit mora gets i do have to give him this. 49ers were freaking good. to bad it always seemed playing the niners was the biggest game for them

First year in the playoffs summed up Mora's tenure...

Regular Season, beat the snot out of teams but was still one game behind Bill Walsh and his 49ers...

Playoff game against Minny, got embarrassed when Mora wouldn't adjust when Vikes pulled a Rocky and came out south paw...

(Note: Teams I really hate losing to are Atlanta, San Fran, Minnesota, Washington, now Seattle)...

Saints were that Great Team that always sat home for the tournament...

Watch NFL films Greatest Linebacker Corps and Walsh and Steve Young can't understand how that team never won a Superbowl...

We know why...

And Atlanta is going through it now...
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:02 AM   #47
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

Playing in the same division with the 49ers. That was probably 70 percent of the problem.
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Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

We were cursed. We needed the biblical 40 years of repent and then a great flood to remove it.
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:43 AM   #49
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We were cursed. We needed the biblical 40 years of repent and then a great flood to remove it.
Poydras has spoken!

Actually, didn't the Steelers go through the same thing before their dynasty in the 70's?!?
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:28 AM   #50
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Poydras: You should copyright that!
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