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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; We have all read the stats. Brandon Coleman is 6 foot 6, speedy with a catch radius of 34 inches. Nice looking kid with an open and sunny smile who spent his college years helping inner city kids in a ...

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Old 08-05-2014, 12:39 AM   #1
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Brandon Coleman, An Intriguing Conundrum

We have all read the stats. Brandon Coleman is 6 foot 6, speedy with a catch radius of 34 inches. Nice looking kid with an open and sunny smile who spent his college years helping inner city kids in a Christian ministry. What’s not to love? Heck, I want to elect him President.

He dominated Rutgers football, tying the school record for 20 touchdowns. Projected to go in the mid rounds of the draft until he was injured, he went undrafted. He received interest from the Patriots, Chargers, Rams but landed with the Saints whose history of undrafted free agents making the roster drew him. This is the definition of potential–and an intriguing conundrum.

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Old 08-05-2014, 12:56 AM   #2
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Re: Brandon Coleman, An Intriguing Conundrum

Gotta question the reasoning when he says that Morgan's a proven veteran.

He's got 10 catches for his entire career. I don't know how "proven" or "veteran" ten catches is.

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Re: Brandon Coleman, An Intriguing Conundrum

Morgan has had what three years to get to the field?

Injuries, OTF BS - Great, great guy, but so is Andy Tanner...

In another year we'll find more WR prospects...

Keep Coleman on the roster and focus the next two years on development...

It doesn't pan out, so be it, but the other kids have had three years...

If you look at where Coleman was, though Rookie Camp, OTAs, and through first week of training camp, the improvement curve shows he wants it and those physical tools are rare - it's a no brainer...

You've seen what you're gonna get with Morgan and Tanner - if anything, do them a solid and find a trading partner that has some depth at offensive line or another prospect that we'd like to have...
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Keeping Coleman on the 53 might be a mistake. He'd easily clear waivers and we can place him on the 53.

He's a tall WR, slow off the line, trouble separating but with good top end speed. As one of the "experts" said, there are virtually no WR's in the league with similar measurables. They just don't do that well in the NFL.

Keeping him means we cut someone like Warren, Sunseri, Hill, Sweeting, Hamm etc...
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Keeping Coleman on the 53 might be a mistake. He'd easily clear waivers and we can place him on the 53.

He's a tall WR, slow off the line, trouble separating but with good top end speed. As one of the "experts" said, there are virtually no WR's in the league with similar measurables. They just don't do that well in the NFL.
Scouting Report:

Negatives: At his maximum weight for a receiver (any more bulk might dictate a move to tight end) … Will throttle down and observe the action when he is not involved in the play … Has good timed speed, but because of his long stride and inability to stay low in his pads, he can't generate the burst needed to separate on long routes … Lacks plant-and-drive agility, spending too much time rounding his cuts and gathering at the top of the route … Has had ball concentration issues that resulted in several costly fumbles … Does not have the second gear needed to separate and turn a small catch into a big gain … Needs to explode out of his cuts better and this is caused mostly when he fails to drop his route in his patterns … Has large hands, but will sometimes short arm going for the ball in a crowd or double catch...

(He) has a tall frame with long limbs and adequate muscle definition. He added bulk during the off-season and his frame is at maximum growth potential for a receiver without losing any of his burst and quickness. Much like former Green Bay Packer Tyrone Davis and former New Orleans Saint Eddie "Boo" Williams, Colston might eventually fill out more and will then probably have to shift to tight end at the pro level.

(He) is a tough, physical receiver who relished his role as a chain-mover. He has a strong release, but needs to be more consistent generating explosion coming off the line of scrimmage. He is a bit of a long strider, but has the sudden burst to separate after the catch. Despite his excellent timed speed, he does not have good initial quickness, as he needs to build to top speed.

As a route-runner, (he) needs to refine his technique. He rounds his cuts too often and while he shows a good burst after the catch, his long stride makes him appear lazy getting into his routes. In order to be effective, he will need to explode out of his cuts better. He runs mostly slants and underneath routes and needs to recognize movement better.

(He) has the speed to elude, but prefers to power through defenders coming out of his breaks and this resulted in several costly fumbles in 2005 (see Richmond and Northeastern games). He knows how to use his size to wall off defenders and shield the ball. He has large hands and long arms to reach and pluck the ball, but most of his drops are caused by a lack of concentration.

(He) likes the contact working over the middle. He is not afraid to take a hit going over the middle and this attitude, combined with his body growth, could see him more effective as an underneath target at tight end rather than lining up at split end. He has the body control to twist and turn to make the catch in a crowd and shows good flexibility to secure the pass at its high point (just needs better consistency).

At the level he played at, he still struggled when having to go deep and needs to stay lower in his pads and show better hip snap to generate more explosion in his routes. Before...he would try to overpower defenders, but now shows better balance and leg drive. He developed some wiggle to escape initial contact, but when he gathers before cutting, he negates his timed speed.

His frame and aggressiveness would make him an effective blocker, but he will lose concentration at times, keep his arms short and this allows defenders to slip past in backside pursuit. The talent and strength are there to be a good in-line blocker. He just needs to develop better overall consistency.

(He's) an interesting prospect because of his size and timed speed. He needs to show more explosiveness in his burst and develop better consistency. He is prone to mental lapses on the field and while he is a hard worker, he is not regarded as leadership material. He needs to be pushed at times, as he tends to get lazy, but overall, he has been a good program player. Based on his size/speed ratio, if he continues to run well in private workouts, he could sneak into the mid-to-late round draft picture.


Same scouting report, only the above was for Marques Colston...

We should keep this guy...In two years, Colston (or his foot) will be done and we'll have Coleman developed and in place...

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Re: Brandon Coleman, An Intriguing Conundrum

Originally Posted by Danno View Post
Keeping Coleman on the 53 might be a mistake. He'd easily clear waivers and we can place him on the 53.

He's a tall WR, slow off the line, trouble separating but with good top end speed. As one of the "experts" said, there are virtually no WR's in the league with similar measurables. They just don't do that well in the NFL.

Keeping him means we cut someone like Warren, Sunseri, Hill, Sweeting, Hamm etc...
I highly doubt he would. And we would cut someone like Hill or Hamm anyways, we wouldn't carry 4 TE's on the roster.
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Sunseri has already made the team. Tanner and Morgan OTOH...
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Scouting Report:

Negatives: At his maximum weight for a receiver (any more bulk might dictate a move to tight end) … Will throttle down and observe the action when he is not involved in the play … Has good timed speed, but because of his long stride and inability to stay low in his pads, he can't generate the burst needed to separate on long routes … Lacks plant-and-drive agility, spending too much time rounding his cuts and gathering at the top of the route … Has had ball concentration issues that resulted in several costly fumbles … Does not have the second gear needed to separate and turn a small catch into a big gain … Needs to explode out of his cuts better and this is caused mostly when he fails to drop his route in his patterns … Has large hands, but will sometimes short arm going for the ball in a crowd or double catch...

(He) has a tall frame with long limbs and adequate muscle definition. He added bulk during the off-season and his frame is at maximum growth potential for a receiver without losing any of his burst and quickness. Much like former Green Bay Packer Tyrone Davis and former New Orleans Saint Eddie "Boo" Williams, Colston might eventually fill out more and will then probably have to shift to tight end at the pro level.

(He) is a tough, physical receiver who relished his role as a chain-mover. He has a strong release, but needs to be more consistent generating explosion coming off the line of scrimmage. He is a bit of a long strider, but has the sudden burst to separate after the catch. Despite his excellent timed speed, he does not have good initial quickness, as he needs to build to top speed.

As a route-runner, (he) needs to refine his technique. He rounds his cuts too often and while he shows a good burst after the catch, his long stride makes him appear lazy getting into his routes. In order to be effective, he will need to explode out of his cuts better. He runs mostly slants and underneath routes and needs to recognize movement better.

(He) has the speed to elude, but prefers to power through defenders coming out of his breaks and this resulted in several costly fumbles in 2005 (see Richmond and Northeastern games). He knows how to use his size to wall off defenders and shield the ball. He has large hands and long arms to reach and pluck the ball, but most of his drops are caused by a lack of concentration.

(He) likes the contact working over the middle. He is not afraid to take a hit going over the middle and this attitude, combined with his body growth, could see him more effective as an underneath target at tight end rather than lining up at split end. He has the body control to twist and turn to make the catch in a crowd and shows good flexibility to secure the pass at its high point (just needs better consistency).

At the level he played at, he still struggled when having to go deep and needs to stay lower in his pads and show better hip snap to generate more explosion in his routes. Before...he would try to overpower defenders, but now shows better balance and leg drive. He developed some wiggle to escape initial contact, but when he gathers before cutting, he negates his timed speed.

His frame and aggressiveness would make him an effective blocker, but he will lose concentration at times, keep his arms short and this allows defenders to slip past in backside pursuit. The talent and strength are there to be a good in-line blocker. He just needs to develop better overall consistency.

(He's) an interesting prospect because of his size and timed speed. He needs to show more explosiveness in his burst and develop better consistency. He is prone to mental lapses on the field and while he is a hard worker, he is not regarded as leadership material. He needs to be pushed at times, as he tends to get lazy, but overall, he has been a good program player. Based on his size/speed ratio, if he continues to run well in private workouts, he could sneak into the mid-to-late round draft picture.


Same scouting report, only the above was for Marques Colston...

We should keep this guy...In two years, Colston (or his foot) will be done and we'll have Coleman developed and in place...
But Colston proved the scouting reports wrong IIRC with an excellent 10 yard split at the combine.

My guess is he's cut and resigned to the practice squad. Keep in mind I don't think he plays special teams well at all. That last WR usually needs to play ST's.
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In that scouting report they called colston lazy......

You mean the guy that has 63 career TD's and nearly 9000 yards receiving, yeah of course.......
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