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Old 08-19-2014, 07:30 PM   #51
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Sorry Danno. I thought I remembered you being a bit less than excited about picking a kicker a couple of years back.
It was punters, I believe.
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Sorry Danno. I thought I remembered you being a bit less than excited about picking a kicker a couple of years back.
HUGE difference between a punter and a kicker, especially if you only have 4 picks and numerous holes to fill.
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After all these years jp, I knew it was only a matter of time before you came in the thread and dropped this line. Two things you can always count in...

Jp on early round draft picks contributing immediately and Euphoria calling power rankings gay.


Papz, don't know how old you are, but I can tell you from this experience as a Saints fan...

Have watched the Saints take good talent, often early, develop it, and watch it leave via Free Agency, especially during the Mora years...

That why I have developed the mantra...

Let the other suckers develop the talent, I want the Saints to reload, not rebuild, and be perennial contenders...
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post

Papz, don't know how old you are, but I can tell you from this experience as a Saints fan...

Have watched the Saints take good talent, often early, develop it, and watch it leave via Free Agency, especially during the Mora years...

That why I have developed the mantra...

Let the other suckers develop the talent, I want the Saints to reload, not rebuild, and be perennial contenders...
That mentality would have resulted in us not taking Jimmy Graham. Not very smart.
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That mentality would have resulted in us not taking Jimmy Graham. Not very smart.
Jimmy Graham wasn't taken in the second round...
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SJB is receiving praise from his coaches. Taking into account his limited time as an actual cornerback...

And McGriff and Saints coaches have worked to make sure that the soft-spoken Jean-Baptiste understands the pressure that goes along with playing the position for a team that has high expectations, and may require his contributions to reach them.

They’ve coached Jean-Baptiste “hard,” tough love mixed with the appropriate amount of praise.

“You’ve got to coach me hard,” Jean-Baptiste said. “You’ve got to coach everybody hard to get a point across. Me taking hard coaching won’t change a thing.”

But it helps that he has been receptive to it.

“It’s two things,” McGriff said. “How many corners are you going to have an opportunity to coach with his size? We work to get all of them ready for competition but a bigger guy like that has to play with a lot more fundamentals and technique because he’s the first guy that’s going to stand up. He’s the first guy that with his size, if he allows a receiver to get on top, now he becomes the challenger.

“So you have to really coach him up more and more on his fundamentals and his technique, and also because he’s a young guy. We’ve got to make him know that you’ve got to have a sense of urgency, technique is important and let’s learn to play fast and be consistent.”

For Jean-Baptiste, the tough love showed up in a positive way against the Titans.

“You see some signs of him not making the same mistake over and over again,” McGriff said. “So I would have to say his awareness is picking up, he’s very coachable and you can see him progressing forward. What would concern you is if he’s making the same mistakes over and over again.

“Our offense does a great job of showing us multiple formations and situations and that’s really going to help him because on game day, it’s going to slow down a little bit for him. Our tempo on offense is so good right now, the movement and formations are so great, that a lot of times in practice he’s out of whack.

“But then you see him in that last game, he played pretty good. Not to say that he’s ready yet, but you saw him get better from one preseason game to the next one.”

Jean-Baptiste understands that he has a long way to go to be the player he aspires to be, and recognizes his shortcomings.

“I’m still in a learning process, trying to get comfortable playing with new faces and with the defenses and all the checks that come along with it,” he said.

“With the plays, I think I’m coming along pretty well. I’m just trying to figure out all the checks and formations that come along with it so I can just go out there and play faster.

“Some days – depending on what kind of plays we’re running (on offense in practice) – it’s comfortable to me that I can show my physicality. But other plays that we’ll put in and we’ll install, and me trying to read the formations, I’m always hesitant and I can’t always show that (physicality).”

He’s shown enough to be rewarded with the snaps he has gotten, though. And attrition in the preseason has been an ally, giving Jean-Baptiste time on the field that he otherwise may not have received, in situations he otherwise may not have faced.

“Stan is doing a phenomenal job,” McGriff said. “What you see in Stan Jean-Baptiste is a big corner that has to continue to develop his fundamentals and technique. He’s shown lately some signs of awareness and that comes with getting more snaps, more experience. He has to keep playing to allow the game to slow down.

“I guarantee you right now, the game is extremely fast for him. But we have to remember he has not been playing corner his whole life. He’s been playing some receiver (as a senior in high school and part of his first season playing at Nebraska), so a lot of things are not going to natural to him.

“So the more reps, the better we can get him in his fundamentals and technique, the better he’s going to be. But he’s been doing a great job of progressing and staying on schedule.”


John DeShazier: Saints rookie Stanley Jean-Baptiste taking first-team reps at cornerback
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SJB is receiving praise from his coaches. Taking into account his limited time as an actual cornerback...

And McGriff and Saints coaches have worked to make sure that the soft-spoken Jean-Baptiste understands the pressure that goes along with playing the position for a team that has high expectations, and may require his contributions to reach them.

Theyve coached Jean-Baptiste hard, tough love mixed with the appropriate amount of praise.

Youve got to coach me hard, Jean-Baptiste said. Youve got to coach everybody hard to get a point across. Me taking hard coaching wont change a thing.

But it helps that he has been receptive to it.

Its two things, McGriff said. How many corners are you going to have an opportunity to coach with his size? We work to get all of them ready for competition but a bigger guy like that has to play with a lot more fundamentals and technique because hes the first guy thats going to stand up. Hes the first guy that with his size, if he allows a receiver to get on top, now he becomes the challenger.

So you have to really coach him up more and more on his fundamentals and his technique, and also because hes a young guy. Weve got to make him know that youve got to have a sense of urgency, technique is important and lets learn to play fast and be consistent.

For Jean-Baptiste, the tough love showed up in a positive way against the Titans.

You see some signs of him not making the same mistake over and over again, McGriff said. So I would have to say his awareness is picking up, hes very coachable and you can see him progressing forward. What would concern you is if hes making the same mistakes over and over again.

Our offense does a great job of showing us multiple formations and situations and thats really going to help him because on game day, its going to slow down a little bit for him. Our tempo on offense is so good right now, the movement and formations are so great, that a lot of times in practice hes out of whack.

But then you see him in that last game, he played pretty good. Not to say that hes ready yet, but you saw him get better from one preseason game to the next one.

Jean-Baptiste understands that he has a long way to go to be the player he aspires to be, and recognizes his shortcomings.

Im still in a learning process, trying to get comfortable playing with new faces and with the defenses and all the checks that come along with it, he said.

With the plays, I think Im coming along pretty well. Im just trying to figure out all the checks and formations that come along with it so I can just go out there and play faster.

Some days depending on what kind of plays were running (on offense in practice) its comfortable to me that I can show my physicality. But other plays that well put in and well install, and me trying to read the formations, Im always hesitant and I cant always show that (physicality).

Hes shown enough to be rewarded with the snaps he has gotten, though. And attrition in the preseason has been an ally, giving Jean-Baptiste time on the field that he otherwise may not have received, in situations he otherwise may not have faced.

Stan is doing a phenomenal job, McGriff said. What you see in Stan Jean-Baptiste is a big corner that has to continue to develop his fundamentals and technique. Hes shown lately some signs of awareness and that comes with getting more snaps, more experience. He has to keep playing to allow the game to slow down.

I guarantee you right now, the game is extremely fast for him. But we have to remember he has not been playing corner his whole life. Hes been playing some receiver (as a senior in high school and part of his first season playing at Nebraska), so a lot of things are not going to natural to him.

So the more reps, the better we can get him in his fundamentals and technique, the better hes going to be. But hes been doing a great job of progressing and staying on schedule.


John DeShazier: Saints rookie Stanley Jean-Baptiste taking first-team reps at cornerback
They're just making sure his self esteem doesn't go on IR...
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Old 08-20-2014, 08:54 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint View Post
It was punters, I believe.
Ahh. My bad. Old brains don't always get things straight. Although I do have to say that excellent punters (like ours) are worth seven to twelve "projects" at least, too.
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Let's be fair. CB was a need going into the draft and the talent pool behind SJB was about ankle deep.
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