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I can't stand it man. I am sick. I mean literally sick. And then to let the dingybirds in. I am sick and I can't wait until Vick freezes his testicles off in Green Bay. I might even watch it. Just to see Atlanta get their backs cracked. I hurt so bad now. Saintz08 you were right all along. Aaron needed to be pulled at least one of those games, if for nothing more than to light a match under his tailend. That could have possibly changed everything. Who knows? I'm sick. Just sick.

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Haslett and McCarthy are married to Brooks .

McCarthy brought him over from Green Bay

Haslett backed him for the big contract .

Loomis , does Loomis hand Brooks the balance of the bonus ?? 6 million , hmmm if Loomis does not pay the additional bonus Brooks only counts 5 million against the cap for 6 years . It does not take too much to see why Haslett has to defend Brooks so hard , Loomis can void the deal ....

If Jake steps in lights it up , why would Loomis cut the check for 6 million ????

Years from now this could easily go down as the 6 million dollar conspiracy . If Jake goes in and wins a game he goes to 5 -1 in games he has appeared in , Benson starts second guessing and a Jake deal could cost less . Joe Johnson admittedly would have taken less to stay in New Orleans , but Mueller fumbled those contractual negotiations .

Something really stinks , why would a Head Coach keep a quarterback in a game who finished the game with a rating of 28 , especially if you were trying to make it into the play offs .

Was Haslett seeing only his commitment to Brooks , when he should have been seeing a committment to win ?? If so then no wonder his players gave out on him , they realized that Brooks was having a bad day and they were going to lose because Haslett was committed to Brooks , not to winning ........

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I have gotten the answer .

Rumor had it that a few press agents were invited into camp after the game to review film and ask questions .

I asked one of them the similar question .

Was Haslett seeing only his commitment to Brooks , when he should have been seeing a commitment to win ??

His answer was : \" Haslett\'s commitment is actually to the future of the team. He\'s not
sure that inserting Delhomme would have been the answer to the
situation\".

Now for some reason this is how I read this statement , Haslett is committed to protecting Brooks frail ego at all costs even if that means losing a few games and not getting into the play offs . Haslett is not commited to win now .

Jake Delhomme was never given the chance to win , because it might have started a controversy .

If you read that statement any other way let me know ....

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I agree Saints08, it sure looks that way to me. Maybe we have the Saints version of the Randy ratio going on here. We can\'t take AB out at any cost. I agree with some others on this board too, AB should have taken a seat at least once during the fall, even if it\'s for a short time to build a fire under him. He played with NO emotion at all. As far as contraversy, who cares? There are a bunch of other players that might want to win. Don\'t get me wrong I like AB but I just think riding the pine might have helped him.As the old saying goes, you never know what you had till you lost it.

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Glad to know Haslett was right , there was nothing wrong with Brooks .

Nothing a little off season surgery would not take care of , he meant to say .

This could be a busy offseason for MRI technicians, at least those studying the shoulders of NFL quarterbacks, and possibly for orthopedic surgeons. The Rams, as noted earlier this week, will demand Kurt Warner undergo a rigorous exam, including an MRI on his right shoulder, where some club officials suspect a torn rotator cuff. New Orleans quarterback Aaron Brooks, we are told, almost certainly will require surgery to repair some degree of shoulder damage. And while the shoulder separated sustained by Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in the third quarter of last Sunday\'s game will not require an operation, team officials will closely monitor his rehabilitation during the offseason with regular exams.

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Is there a more embarassing moment in Saints history? :casstet: I ask all fans by the Bayou to try and think of another franchise who reaches such highs and lows in one season. I am tired of the losing ways, and I believe it has to do with the city of New Orleans itself.
Note to Aaron Brooks: if denying your injury due to the pressure you feel, and rightfully so, to produce is keeping you from acknowledging it, wake up and smell your career ending.

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I have this sinking feeling. This is yet another feeling that is so common to me. A feeling that the Saints have produced in me for years.

Honestly, none of us know if Jake would have been the savior for this team. He may have played a lot worse than Brooks. In reality, we only saw him throw, what, 10 balls in the regular season. Who knows.

Personally, I think he\'s a good quarterback paitently waiting for his chance to shine. I was calling for him early in their season, when Brooks was still playing well and everyone said I was crazy. The bottom line though, is that he is the perfect quarterback for our system. Just like Pennington is better for the Jets than Vinny, Brady was better for NE than Bledsoe, Gannon in Oakland or Johnson in TB.

Now, I fear that the Saints have passed over Jake one too many times. I mean, if you were him, would you stay in New Orleans? The coaches showed basically no respect for his abilities this year by consistently playing an injured and/or totally ineffective Brooks over him. He\'s waited his turn. His prime years are slipping away, and he has been shown, rather bluntly I might add, that he will never be the guy in New Orleans. He SHOULD leave... and probably will leave.

And thus, that sinking feeling is returning. Watching next year, or two years from now, or maybe even three, as Jake Delhomme becomes the biggest story of the season. An unknown who leads one team or another into the playoffs and maybe even the superbowl. A pro bowler maybe. How many times have the Saints given away great players? Will it ever stop? I\'d bet my life it won\'t.

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And one other thing... the coaching staff needs to watch some Philadelphia game film. That team proved this year that a good system is FAR more important than any one player. Philly did it with A.J. Feeley... who is this guy?! The point though, is that when McNabb got hurt, they just inserted the next guy and things kept rolling right along.

Haslett and the Saints coaches make it out like this team is nothing without Brooks. Ridiculous. I mean, did anyone else notice that in the Baltimore game when Delhomme came in they threw the ball much less? They also didn\'t let him throw down the field... even though he was was 7-8. Insane!

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This one is gonna hurt for a long , long time .

Rumor has it Jake Delhomme is the quarterback that Bill Parcels has is eye on to start in Dallas next year . And the hits keep on coming .

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The sinking feeling in my gut just got a lot worse.

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I think Haslett has some way of protecting the golden boy on the team , I think we saw it first with Ricky Williams . Duece got a couple shots 2 years ago and shortly after he breaks the one open for the 60 yard touchdown , Haslett puts him in the closet and he disappears .Til Ricky is traded the following year .

I do not think Haslett will allow competition for Brooks , especially after he back him to get the big contract .

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Part of the problem is us. You know how sometimes when people question you when you think you\'re right it simply makes your opinion stronger. I think Haslett probably starting fighting for Brooks when it may have been premature (at least from a coaching standpoint). As a result, he became a complete and utter Brooks backer on principle, not substance. Anyway, I think he was blinded by his own stubbornness. Watch the Delhomme situation closely. If Delhomme goes, which I fear greatly, then Haslett is behind Aaron completely, and in my opinion, to the detriment and eventual demise of his career in New Orleans. If Jake gets a contract renewal though, you may just see some competition next year in camp.

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I think if that were the case we would not see any other problems with the team , a struggling Qb and the fans are on him is one thing and Haslett cannot say he has never heard boo birds before in his career , but look at all the other problems and players wanting out .

Turley is all over Brooks and management and he wants out .

Fontenot has optioned out of his contract .

Clemmons has optioned out . No great loss there

Rumor has Knight not wanting back at any price .

It seems like anyone that can get away is looking to get far away

[Edited on 7/1/2003 by saintz08]

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Nice little write up on Jake from PFW :

Supersleeper: Jake Delhomme, Saints (62) — Could be a starting quarterback this time next year in Chicago, Kansas City, Arizona or Carolina. Has proven to be a capable backup to Aaron Brooks and has even helped Brooks in his development, which most backup quarterbacks with little experience are not capable of doing. All Delhomme needs is a chance next year, and he likely will get it as one of the top free-agent quarterbacks set to hit the market. His leadership and intelligence can carry a team a long way.

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Offensive breakdown

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...ffstcht05.html

For you Gator .

Have you seen ?

http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?ID=1158494

Things are different here . No kiddin Haz !

[Edited on 7/1/2003 by saintz08]

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God I hope we can convince Delhomme to stay. Pay him Loomis, pay him. He is more likely to be your franchise QB than Brooks!

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I\'m just saying I want Jake on the squad. If he goes, the team truly does live and die with Brooks. At least if Jake is here we can hope. Plus, if Brooks ever does get hurt (that is if he gets hurt enough so that he and the coaches can\'t lie about it and down play it) then Jake will finally come in and prove himself.

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You people watch too many Oliver Stone movies...jeesh.

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Jake should have been given a chance! Hasslett let pride get in the way of trying to be competive. If thats the case, he\'s not as good a coach as I thought! :mad:

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The Panthers game was about arrogance .

Hasletts head coaching is pure and simply about arrogance . He inspires his team to defeat what some would call a better opponent and rolls over assuming he could not lose to a weaker opponent .

In the Panthers game it was his will be done over what the fans wanted . As long as Haslett is head coach it will be done his way or the highway . It could all come down to one thought : Haslett was willing to let all playoff chances slip by to prove he was the one calling the shots not the fans .

1. Haslett has publically attacked the fans of the New Orleans Saints .

2. Haslett brought reporters into the facility to review film and prove the fans were wrong .

Players want out because Haslett is not about winning , he is about proving he is the head coach ......

The Carolina Panthers vs. New Orleans Saints game was actually :
Haslett vs. The Fans .

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That is the most rediculous thing I\'ve ever seen you post. Shame on you. Maybe Parcells will yeild to the fans in Dallas next year. Uh huh...a coach should pay attention to the drunk (well, at least some of \'em..hehe) fans screaming in the stands. Oh yeah, that\'ll save his job. Just listen to the fans in the cheap seats Jim...they\'ll tell you what to do. hehehe...not on your life. Shame, shame, shame on you Saintz08.

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When this comment comes from one of the few reporters at the private screening , I am not to sure that thought is too far off .

I asked one of them the similar question .

Was Haslett seeing only his commitment to Brooks , when he should have been seeing a commitment to win ??

His answer was : \" Haslett\'s commitment is actually to the future of the team. He\'s not
sure that inserting Delhomme would have been the answer to the
situation\".

So was Haslett committed to win the Carolina game or was he committed to making sure Brooks frail ego stayed in tact ? Was Haslett commited to getting into the play offs this year ? No , not if it started a quarterback controversy .

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Even if that were the case, and I seriously doubt it was, I wouldn\'t see it as such a bad idea. We all know the defense wasn\'t gonna allow us to get very far. Why not get Brooks some experience? Why give the \"fans\" and the media ammunition? Let us please remember that Jim played the game at the PRO level. I\'m pretty sure he\'s heard some awefully stupid things yelled by fans and printed by the media.

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Why not get Brooks some experience? Why give the \"fans\" and the media ammunition?

To quote Herm Edwards, who by the way, led his team into the playoffs and a 41-0 first round win:

\"HELLO! YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!\"

If Haslett is playing for next year\'s team this year, he should be fired right now. In the NFL you play to win every single snap. Every situation, and certainly, every game. If you don\'t know that Saintfan, then I can\'t belive you understand how things are done in the NFL.

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This statement is fastly becoming my favorite .

We all know the defense wasn\'t gonna allow us to get very far.

First off we are all probably aware of the fact that the Rams won the Superbowl with a lousy defense , but that aside what would a play off appearance have done ?

1. Additional team revenue
2. Additional media attention
3. Boosted next years ranking - always good when trying to lure free agents at a good price
4. Gotten the monkey off the back of the organization as a whole
5. Bolstered fan support
6. Prime time appearances could have been easier to get , a little MNF .
7. Additional player revenue
8. Given the team as a whole something to build on

Even if the Saints had got there and lost , they still would have gotten there . But instead they proved they cannot , when the pressure is on they tank out . Leading some to believe that the year they did get there was pure luck .

Brooks proved he was smart in one way this year . He held out at the beginning of the season and did not have to prove he could lead the team to the play offs for the big contract .......

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PFW - Reports

Saints’ Brooks to have arthroscopic surgery on right shoulder

QB Aaron Brooks, whose passing numbers dipped during the Saints\' season-ending, three-game losing streak, will undergo arthroscopic surgery on Jan. 17 to reattach a tendon in his right shoulder. Despite the injury, Brooks played instead of backup Jake Delhomme in the season finale vs. Carolina, a game the Saints lost 10-6 to cost them a playoff berth. New Orleans needed to win only one of its last three games to reach the playoffs. The Saints said Brooks\' injury did not affect his throwing motion enough to keep him out of the lineup.

PFW: Is the shoulder to blame for the Saints\' collapse?

Edholm: I am not buying it. The high and low points of the season for the Saints might have happened in their Sunday night win in Week 13 over the Buccaneers. The win put them, temporarily, in the serious hunt for the NFC South title holding a nice tiebreaker with two wins over Tampa Bay. But Brooks hurt his shoulder in that game, being relieved for a series by Delhomme. Brooks also was replaced the next week by Delhomme (7-of-8 passing for 103 yards), who looked good in the Saints’ win over Baltimore.

But the team stubbornly went back to Brooks down the stretch with three losing teams on its plate — two of the games at home. Brooks completed just 28-of-69 passes in the final two games and lacked his usual zip on the ball. Let’s face it: Brooks was not himself, and either he was lying to the medical staff about how hurt he was or the medical staff was lying to all of us. Be it bravery or ignorance, Brooks let his team down — either by not listening to his body or the team doctors and by not taking himself out of the lineup. Either way, the Saints are out of the playoffs.

Now the Saints must strongly consider re-signing Delhomme, an unrestricted free agent, as insurance in case Brooks can’t recover by minicamp.


Saintsfan - Please note the word \" Stubbornly \" used to describe how Haslett made his quarterbacking choice . Coffees brewin ;)

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There is a reason Jim didn\'t put Jake in. You can speculate about it all you want. All the guys at ESPN...the \"experts\" we ragged on all season long in this forum -- the ones you guys are now quick to side with as if they have all the answers -- the same ones who said Aikman wasn\'t smart enough to play in the NFL -- the same ones that don\'t know the rules regarding a field goal attempt on 3rd down as evidenced by last weeks playoff game -- the same ones that didn\'t give the Saints a snowballs chance this season -- the same ones who, when they were players (the ones who were actually players) didn\'t give a rats ass about what the sportswriters and \"experts\" said about their play on the field...can speculate all they want. Ask Bill Parcells (or any coach) what his opinion of sportswriters and ESPN analysts is. I can speculate all I want. The bottom line is it\'s all speculation, and Jake didn\'t go in for a reason. At some point ya\'ll are just gonna have to get over it. Obviously, the team thought they had a better chance to win with Brooks. WhoDat can type rediculousness all day if he wants. Surely no one in here, myself included, thinks Jim tanked the last game on purpose. I think he was fairly pissed in the halftime interview. I believe it was the players who tanked the game. Maybe we would have won with Jake in there, and then again maybe we wouldn\'t have won. I don\'t think Jake would have done any better running for his life than AB did. Maybe if Jake throws a perfect pass to Reed, just maybe, Reed catches it...then again, maybe he drops it, just like he dropped the one AB threw to him.

As far as the Rams go, we had a good offense this year, but we didn\'t have that Rams offense from a few years ago. No sir whodat. Nice try, but no sir, and if you think we could have won the big game this year with the defense we had, \"then I can\'t belive you understand how things are done in the NFL\".

You guys wanna scream AB sucks, plain and simple. Now we discover he\'s hurt so you guys wanna say he was selfish and cost us games. You\'re probably the same people that admire Brett Farve for playing hurt. Well, are ya? Which way do you want it? The bottom line is you want Jake as the QB, and you\'ll use any and every angle you can regardless of whether or not it makes sense. I\'ve been fightin\' that battle with Saintz08 all season long. NOW you wanna tie Haz into it too. Just how many points per game does the offense have to average before you people give up? How many dropped balls (over 60 this year) do you have to witness before you begin the think Brooks, while young and still learning, isn\'t the man to point your wicked little fingers at when something goes wrong EVERY TIME? How many times to you people have to see Brooks running for his life before you realize our offensive line didn\'t exactly over achieve in pass blocking this year? Maybe you\'re just satisfied listening to SportsCenter.

Look deeper people. Realize this team has some serious talent (not much of it on defense), and realize they\'re young. Give Jim, in his first Head Coaching Job, a chance to right the ship. Two years ago there were some serious attitude problems that people generally point to as the reason for the tank job that happened at the end of the season. I can\'t think Roaf accusing Horn of doing his wife had much to do with Haz. I don\'t think Jim can be blamed for a player stealing money. How many of you cheered when Turley tossed the helment? This is the same guy who was fined by the team, right? There\'s a good chance he cost us that game right? Yet you all swear by his \"fire\" and \"emotion\". Did the Saints do the right thing by taking issue with him over it? You bet you\'re beans and rice they did the right thing. If Kyle wants to leave...SEE YA. Dig deep people. Don\'t be so quick to holler for the sake of hollering.

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Oh my dear Saintfan. First, I think you\'re a little confused at some of the things that I have said. I don\'t think Haslett did, or has ever, intentionally tried to lose a game.

Second, I don\'t know if this team could have gone all the way this year. I do know that it beat just about every good team it played. The defense is definitely a bigger problem than anything the offense can offer. However, the offense\'s biggest problem is Brooks. Period.

You play in this league to make the playoffs and have a shot at a Super Bowl. If you need reasons why, go back and look at 08\'s post. You\'re damn right I want Delhomme. Again, I said I wanted him early in the season, when people in here told me I was nuts. Bottom line is that he is the right quarterback for this system.

Look around saintfan. How many people are running to back you on Brooks? How many people in the world back you on Brooks? Haslett and the coaching staff do. Great. Ditka said that Rickey Williams would put the Saints in the Super Bowl. Wake up buddy, Brooks is NOT the answer.

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I can\'t tell you definitively if Brooks is the answer cause I don\'t work in the French Quarter telling fortunes. I can\'t tell you definitively that Jake is the answer either. What I\'m wondering is how you think you can.

To tell you the truth, I\'m not at all worried about what a handful of people in this forum think about Brooks. NON of us are paid to evaluate talent in the NFL. We don\'t see practice, we don\'t hang out in the locker room, and we don\'t play the games. Forgive me if I decide to give more credibility to Jim Haslett than I give to you, Saintz08, and Gatorman. What MUST I be thinking?

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Hey man, I\'m not knocking you for giving more credit to the coaching staff. Good decision. How exactly do you know what they think though? I haven\'t heard one straight sentence out of Haslett in God knows how long.

And I have not said that Jake is definitely the answer for the Saints. I\'ve said that Aaron is not. Hokie Gajan agrees with me. He said on air that Aaron Brooks will not lead the Saints to a Super Bowl. There\'s a guy who played in the league for a long time. Jake may or may not be a great QB waiting to shine. He may be an average QB who is better for this system... or not. The point is that we don\'t know. What we do know is that Brooks, at least at this point, is average at best. The potential, for which he was so touted, has not, as of yet, developed into anything tangible.

Of course, I don\'t know why we\'re still having this discussion. You still can\'t list one thing Brooks does well, let alone five or more. I listed that many things that he does poorly.

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Saintsfan

How much credability did you give to Ditka ??

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How much credit do I give Ditka? hmmmm, not much, not much at all, but I\'m wondering how Ditka got into this conversation. How does Ditka relate to this conversation? If you\'re trying to insinuate that I\'d blindly believe anything I\'m told...hmmm...are you? If that were the case, then why don\'t I fall for all this crap you and two other guys keep posting? The reason is I can think on my own, and I\'m a bit more patient (thankfully) than some of you.

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You seem to give so much credibility to Haslett .

So I was wondering how you based that credibility ??

So Haslett is more creditable then Ditka , to you ???

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I\'m thinking I won\'t entertain such a rediculous question with an obvious answer.

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So you think the basis for credibility is a ridiculous thought ??

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Go bait the Kiddies 08. I\'ve got better things to do.

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Summation :

There was always the Potential for an answer .

In the end there was nothing .

Because it lacked Creditability .

I have heard this one before .

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Yes , \"it\" did lack credibility...\"it\" being your ignornat question.

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Why and how was that question ignorant... exactly? I\'m confused on that.

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You\'re confused? Hmmmm, now there\'s the first surprise of the day.